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US Airways, pilots upbeat after meeting

Chairman of US Airways' pilots union was optimistic after emerging from Wednesday's session


PITTSBURGH (Business Times) - Representatives of the Air Line Pilots Association and US Airways Group Inc. management both put a positive spin on a meeting Wednesday regarding the airline's financial future.

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USA320Pilot
 
US Airways management and ALPA will meet again tomorrow. Discussions are expected to quickly resolve issues, such as this week's settlement on the remaining "Pref Bid" points of contention.

In addition, members of the Labor Coaltion and their advisors are working together on specific company issues and information management. Expect more news on this shortly.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
Airline, pilot talks don't break much new ground

Thursday, January 29, 2004
By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Informal talks between the pilots union and management at US Airways began yesterday in Arlington, Va., but the pilots left the meeting knowing little about the company's long-awaited 2004 restructuring plan.

In fact, the company did not bring up several topics that have been discussed informally in recent weeks, such as more efficient changes to the pilots' work rules or talk of adding 60 new Airbus jets to the company's mainline fleet in exchange for productivity improvements.

What the company did talk about was its plan to buy new regional jets, and how that plan is being held up by a dispute with the pilots over pay and US Airways' junk bond rating. It also provided the pilots with requested financial data and discussed challenges it faces this year as it tries to meet the milestones imposed by $900 million in government-backed loans.

Both sides are meeting again today, and the pilots will bring what was said back to its 12-member governing body Monday and ask it what to do next.

The airline declined to talk about what was said in the meeting yesterday with the pilots' negotiating committee, but US Airways spokesman David Castelveter characterized the meeting as "a productive session" and said, "Nobody left here disappointed."

He added that the two sides would continue to talk the next several weeks with the understanding of the need "to quickly resolve a number of issues."

Last week, the pilots' governing board challenged US Airways to discuss its 2004 business plan and disclose vital financial information, and the company promised full cooperation. On Friday, Chief Executive Officer David Siegel said that the airline looked "forward to beginning discussions with the union on strategic initiatives that will ensure US Airways' viability."

Even as the pilots searched for meaning from yesterday's session, the Arlington, Va.-based carrier continued to contemplate a sale of assets to resolve its nagging financial issues.

New York investment bank Morgan Stanley, hired to review the company's assets and contact potential bidders, reportedly has been in touch with a number of the industry's major carriers. Industry analysts say an array of airlines are probably interested, including American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and JetBlue Airways. Here's what may interest each:

American Airlines. The Forth Worth, Texas-based carrier bid $300 million for US Airways' coveted Washington-Boston-New York shuttle in 1997 and analysts believe it may want it again at a cheaper price or at least the shuttle's gates and slots in Washington, D.C., and New York.

Delta. The chief executive officer of the Atlanta-based carrier admitted last week that his company has seen a proposal from Morgan Stanley and that there may be some interest from his company. There is a lot of overlap between the two carriers on the East Coast. It announced plans yesterday to expand its presence in New York, promising $300 million in facility improvements at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

JetBlue Airways. The low-cost upstart has applied recently for 10 slots at New York's LaGuardia Airport, a US Airways stronghold, and may want more. A spokesman would not talk about US Airways yesterday, calling JetBlue's interest "rumor and speculation."

Virgin Atlantic Airways. British entrepreneur Richard Branson, who owns Virgin, is trying to launch a low-fare airline in the United States this year and has talked with an undisclosed airline about "carving off chunks of that operation."

Mesa Air Group: The Phoenix carrier, run by a friend of Siegel's, has said it was interested in US Airways assets, including the US Airways Express commuter operations, of which Mesa already is a code-sharing partner, as well as the shuttle.

AirTran Holdings. The Atlanta-based carrier has made its bets on larger U.S. airports and thus it may have an interest in gates at New York or Washington, D.C. It tried to make a go in Pittsburgh a few years back, but that didn't work.

A US Airways spokesman emphasized yesterday that while Morgan Stanley had been hired to "begin the exploratory process of determining where the assets of the company are and what value those assets potentially have," US Airways has not made the decision to sell anything.

But local airline analyst Bill Lauer said some people, including the company's union leaders, may not be taking the asset sale talk seriously.

"It is a far less pleasant sort of eventuality to contemplate," he said.

"It is much easier and more convenient and more pleasant for those people dependent upon US Airways to look at it as no more than labor-management business as usual. I am warning you that it may not be."
 
Analyst: US Airways faces time crunch

By Thomas Olson
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, January 29, 2004

If current talks between US Airways and pilot union chiefs lead to a contract proposal, time is running short for the airline to put major changes in place, analysts said Wednesday.

While by no means assured, proposed changes to the pilots' collective bargaining agreement would first have to be ratified by unionized pilots. And that process would take 30 to 60 days, said the Air Line Pilots Association.

"There is some time, but not a lot of time," said Ray Neidl, an airline analyst for Blaylock & Partners, New York.

"US Airways probably would be in serious trouble by late spring" without changing how it operates, said Neidl. And if jet fuel prices spike or the economy tanks, US Airways might have even less time, he said.

Four leaders of US Airways' pilots union and three union negotiators met with senior managers yesterday at corporate headquarters in Arlington, Va. Pilot leaders had demanded management brief them on US Airways' financial condition and its new business plan. Otherwise, the union would not consider negotiating changes to pilots' work rules, such as minimum flying hours or scheduling.

"We need to know from US Airways what it is they want," said Jack Stephan, a spokesman for the pilots union. "If it's not in our contracts, we'd have to negotiate to get it done."

"But I'd be hard-pressed to see how the entire process could take any less than 30 days," he said. Even that's an ambitious schedule that would require telephone voting, instead of mailed ballots.

Here's the process: The seven union officials would present a tentative agreement to the 12-member governing body of the ALPA's US Airways Master Executive Council. The council would mull the proposal for about a week before making a recommendation -- for or against -- to the union members.

Then, it would take at least a week for ballots to be printed, mailed and received by pilots who often are away from home for four or six days, said Stephan. It would take a couple more weeks for voting by telephone and a month or more for mail-in ballots. In short: one to two months total.

Part of the time crunch is for US Airways to better compete with Southwest Airlines in Philadelphia. The low-cost carrier begins service at the US Airways hub in May.

The talks were "productive" and would continue "over the next couple of weeks," said US Airways spokesman Dave Castelveter. "Both the company and ALPA recognize the need to resolve certain issues toward the overall objective of reducing costs."

US Airways must avoid violating financial conditions set forth by the federal agency backing $900 million in loans to the carrier. One loan covenant imposed by the Air Transportation Stabilization Board is that the airline have at least $1 billion in cash on hand on June 30.

Without such a cash cushion come June, US Airways could be forced by the agency to accelerate its federal loan payments. So, instead of repaying $250 million a year starting in October, the airline would have to pay that money sooner.

But if the pilots take the lead in US Airways labor talks, its mechanics union, the International Association of Machinists, does not intend to follow.

"We're willing to talk to management about ways to save money, but we are not willing to open up our collective bargaining agreement," said union spokesman Joe Tiberi. "We're not open to renegotiating anything."
 
BoeingBoy, Your posts make sense and try to reveal the WHOLE story. Thanks for your insight. Savy
 
savyinvestor said:
BoeingBoy, Your posts make sense and try to reveal the WHOLE story. Thanks for your insight. Savy
Agreed.

Thanks BoeingBoy, for giving the FULL story and allowing the members to draw their own conclusions without the spin of selective cutting, pasting, and emphasizing. :up:
 
The lack of progress is "stunning"; to use a favorite word of someone to remain nameless. 😉
 
:down: iF THE PILOTS GET THEIR WAY LOOK OUT CWA,IAM FLEET,IAM MTC
YOUR GOING TO GET SQUEEZED.ALSO ALPA'S YOUNG WILL GET WILL BE OUTSIDE LOOKING UP.
 
You know like the past any Concessions ALPA agrees to will be contingent on every other labor group accepting concessions too, they can never do anything on their own.

Pilots will cave as usual because they know they can't go out and get a job paying the same or even near what they make now. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

What I don't like is when someone else dictates to me I have to take concessions too. That is what is wrong with the whole situation.
 
700UW said:
You know like the past any Concessions ALPA agrees to will be contingent on every other labor group accepting concessions too, they can never do anything on their own.

Pilots will cave as usual because they know they can't go out and get a job paying the same or even near what they make now. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

What I don't like is when someone else dictates to me I have to take concessions too. That is what is wrong with the whole situation.
I have to agree. They like to draw the comparison between US and the LCC's..yet my current job is under-paid Vs. my counterparts at WN specifically.

I blame the IAM negotiators for this..not the company. The IAM was entirely too eager to get a deal penciled and start collecting our dues when they acreeded us in.

Like 700UW pointed out..if one caves ?, all will be tied to it happening..even those whom are bellow the comparative line.
 
Some how i knew the negatives would be gin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
usfliboi said:
Some how i knew the negatives would be gin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you find the truth so disturbing fliboi?...I strongly suggest you not read it. :down:
 
usfliboi said:
Some how i knew the negatives would be gin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does the truth bother you?

All of the labor concessions (both rounds) were contingent on ALL Groups ratifying, that was written in stone. If one group voted no ( IAM M&R) all of the other groups concessions were null and void, why do you think the second vote happened?

How can what actually transpired be negative?

It is fact!
If the truth bothers you, do what AOG said, don't read it.
 
The facts? Why is it that some posters (not mentioning anyone) dont post postive facts?
 
usfliboi said:
The facts? Why is it that some posters (not mentioning anyone) don't post positive facts?
You know what, I did not negotiate the concessions and that was in all of them, sometimes the facts are negative, too bad so sad.

Sometimes reality is negative, learn to deal with it.

And watch when ALPA concedes once again it will be tied to all other labor groups giving to, watch, wait and see.
 

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