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The ex-twaers didn't take a hit for anybody; they are just incensed because we did not become their "cushion". If Carty would have just let twa die completely, then that would have been a capacity reduction that would have benefitted AA and the industry as a whole. Some AA people would probably have been laid off but only for a short time because all the "nAAtive" hubs are back to where they were (or larger) before 9/11. Only STL is a fraction of what it was. The fact is that AA paid $742 million in cash, assumed about $3.5 billion in twa liabilities and all they have to show for it is some slots in the Northeast and a STL "hub" with 55-60 flights a day; an amount which AA could have easily done with it's own metal. Not only that but the cost of bringing the twaers on AA's payroll, the cost converting the twa aircraft to AA's certificate, the painting of the aircraft, and the training of the twaers cost even more. Whats more, when AA laid off the twaers they got paid unused vacation and severence using their full twa seniority at AA's far superior payrates (I know, I know some ex-twa F/As did not get severance). Right now there are about 40 ex-twa aircraft sitting in the desert that AA is still making lease payments on. Additionally, when AA took that $1.3 billion dollar write down on the impairment of it's "goodwill" asset, twa was responsible for $1.1 billion if it. twa did cost AA tremendously. If Carty would just have let twa die completely, he then could have taken the assets he wanted without the twa employees and retirees. Had he done this, AA's balance sheet would have been about $4.5 billion healthier and we would not have had to deal with the twaers' constant bitching and whining and their endless lawsuits.

All true.

Carty shoulda been canned just for that. I'll be CR is still spinning in his grave.

Long ago, RE Sadler, he jumped up on a table at a meeting and bellowed, "SOMEBODY F**KED UP MY AIRLINE!"

Sadler was a piker, compared to Carty.
 
<_< ----Hey aa! I just got an update on the Mich. lawsuit!---- let's just say, watch for those school bus comming down I95 about the middle of June!! :up:
 
Aren't you jumping the gun a little? This might never go to trial. The judge has not issued a ruling on AA/TWU's request for dismissal.
 
Some of the most distorted and self serving replies I've ever seen on these boards. Maybe a psychiatric clinic for delusional disorder would help.
 
Some of the most distorted and self serving replies I've ever seen on these boards. Maybe a psychiatric clinic for delusional disorder would help.
What I have posted is fact. It is you and those like you who are self serving as evidenced by fact that you feel a bunch of senior, bitter people from a failed airline should be able to totally displace the long time employees of a successful one. If all you ex-twaers hate AA and say it sucks so bad, then why in the hell are all you ex-twaers beating the doors down to get back in. Perhaps it is you people that need a psychiatric clinic because you words and actions grossly contradict one another.
 
What I have posted is fact. It is you and those like you who are self serving as evidenced by fact that you feel a bunch of senior, bitter people from a failed airline should be able to totally displace the long time employees of a successful one. If all you ex-twaers hate AA and say it sucks so bad, then why in the hell are all you ex-twaers beating the doors down to get back in. Perhaps it is you people that need a psychiatric clinic because you words and actions grossly contradict one another.
<_< ------ All you post is fact aa? Will check again! Your a little behind time! The Judge has already ruled on the TWU's requist! And denied it!! And aa's requist also!----- But your right! At this point, anything can happen! 😛 We may have a hard time finding enough bus!
 
You've been threatening AA with avenging judges, divine intervention and public outcry for almost seven years now...where is it?
<_< ----No LGA! "seven years"? aa bought TWA in 2001! Threaten! Me?---- No! Not me! But there have been several lawsuits! And aa/TWU have managed to buy all the previous Judges! This time, hopefully, it might be different, because this time, it's supposed to go to jury! But as aa has pointed out, at this time anything can happen.----- Another positive note! This one is in Michigan!----Not Texas! Not Oklahoma! Not New York!!!Let me explan something here LGA! Even if this lawsuit doesn't pan out, I feel the exTWA employees were treated poorly( and I'm beeing diplomatic when I use that word!)in the intagration, and I'm going to rub there noses in it every chance I get! 😉
 
The ex-twaers didn't take a hit for anybody; they are just incensed because we did not become their "cushion". If Carty would have just let twa die completely, then that would have been a capacity reduction that would have benefitted AA and the industry as a whole. Some AA people would probably have been laid off but only for a short time because all the "nAAtive" hubs are back to where they were (or larger) before 9/11. Only STL is a fraction of what it was. The fact is that AA paid $742 million in cash, assumed about $3.5 billion in twa liabilities and all they have to show for it is some slots in the Northeast and a STL "hub" with 55-60 flights a day; an amount which AA could have easily done with it's own metal. Not only that but the cost of bringing the twaers on AA's payroll, the cost converting the twa aircraft to AA's certificate, the painting of the aircraft, and the training of the twaers cost even more. Whats more, when AA laid off the twaers they got paid unused vacation and severence using their full twa seniority at AA's far superior payrates (I know, I know some ex-twa F/As did not get severance). Right now there are about 40 ex-twa aircraft sitting in the desert that AA is still making lease payments on. Additionally, when AA took that $1.3 billion dollar write down on the impairment of it's "goodwill" asset, twa was responsible for $1.1 billion if it. twa did cost AA tremendously. If Carty would just have let twa die completely, he then could have taken the assets he wanted without the twa employees and retirees. Had he done this, AA's balance sheet would have been about $4.5 billion healthier and we would not have had to deal with the twaers' constant bitching and whining and their endless lawsuits.


I am afraid you were engaging in selective memory recall when you wrote this post. My memory is not as sharp as it used to be but I do recall that AA sold off TWA's stake in Worldspan and netted in the neighborhood of approximately $250 million on the deal. Additionally, AA was the beneficiary of approximately $200 million in direct cash aid from the federal government based upon TWA's RSM's immediately after 9/11.

The slots at DCA, ORD, and LGA/JFK you so casually mention have proven to be a great competitive advantage (AE east coast shuttle) as well as a ready source of cash. Delta leases a number of those former TWA slots and if US Airways past transactions are any indication of the value of the slots today, AA is sitting on at least $100 million in assets attributable to TWA.

The 3.5 billion in liabilities were primarily operating leases which AA immediately renegotiated. TWA had less than $300 million in actual debt at the time of AA's purchase.

I have no comment on your opinion on seniority integration or the fairness of the stapling of F/A's and pilots. Just remember, opinions are like...well you get my drift.

Hunter
 
All true.

Carty shoulda been canned just for that. I'll be CR is still spinning in his grave.

Long ago, RE Sadler, he jumped up on a table at a meeting and bellowed, "SOMEBODY F**KED UP MY AIRLINE!"

Sadler was a piker, compared to Carty.



There would have been much less animosity if the AA unions had been forward thinking enough to negotiate "no furlough" provisions. USAIR has already announced that they would not furlough and that overages would be handled by attrition (with the DAL acquisition).

The fact that we were originally placed in 2 fences, (JFK and STL) was conveniently reduced to one (STL) and then ignored as AA f/as were trained as TWA LLC f/as to breech the STL fence. AA f/as were forced to STL, most with only one or two years, while the TWA f/as with up to 49 years were sent to the street. The forced transfers were flying TWA aircraft and TWA lines of time. Had the APFA had the foresight or b***s to negotiate a no furlough provision or even comparable recall for the RPA concession dollars, much of the discussions on this board would have never haappened.
 
Keep bickering about the TWA/AA merger instead of figuring out how to get our pay benifits and laid off coworkers back. The company just loves this!
 
Keep bickering about the TWA/AA merger instead of figuring out how to get our pay benifits and laid off coworkers back. The company just loves this!
<_< -----Bob, I'm afraid this will never go away! It's now part of our American Airlines culture! It became that when aa bought TWA, and like it or not, we'll all have to live with it! But you are totally correct! There's a time and place for everything, and now's not the time, or place!---- 😉
 

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