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US Express to end service to IPT

Very odd that the USDOT rejected all bids based upon the aircraft and freqency not meeting the requirements of the RFB.

Both bids from Colgan and Mesaba were with the 32 and 34-seat Saab 340 (but less than 37-seats) flying 3 RT's per day. I can't find a copy of the Piedmont bid. Did the USDOT reject the Colgan and Mesaba bids because each bid a 30+seat aircraft X 3 RT's per day and not a 30-seat aircraft X 3 RT's per day???

That would be kinda stupid.

http://www.regionalaviationpartners.org/Ho...S_PA_mesaba.pdf

http://www.regionalaviationpartners.org/Ho...S_PA_colgan.pdf
AHHHH Shoot:

A little more research would have answered my question. Apparently, the USDOT did not reject bids from Piedmont, Colgan, and Mesaba based upon aircraft seating and frequeny (the USDOT admits that each bid surpassed the seating and frequency requirements). All bids were rejected because:

"each proposal would require an annual subsidy rate over $3,000,000. Even considering the increase fuel costs in the current operating environment, these subsidy levels are more than double the EAS program average."

In another words, the USDOT insists that airlines continue to fly into these unprofitable EAS markets.

See page 2, second paragraph

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf71/322.pdf
 
Have to believe this is frustrating for Piedmont. First they give the proper 90 notice of intent to discontinue service, and then DOT orders a 30-days continuance followed by a second 30-days continuance. DOT rejects first applications for EAS subsidy claiming the more than $3,000,000 requested from the three proposers is too high. Piedmont submits a second proposal for $2,200,000 EAS subsidy (includes a $183,000, or 5%, profit) and is still waiting for DOT rejection or approval. All the while being told they must continue flying into a money losing market.

http://airlineinfo.com/ost10/ost100908.htm...Essential-49575
 
The drawback to applying for EAS routes - you can't just drop them mid-stream.

Jim
 
UNless another carrier takes over - or underbids - the EAS contract.
Colgan's US Express service to LEB ends next month; Cape Air will take over. (Not that I have seen any annoucements frim US)
 
The drawback to applying for EAS routes - you can't just drop them mid-stream.

Jim
I "think" what happened here was Williamsport was ,previously, an unsidsidized market. Piedmont, being the only air carrier in Williamsport, submitted their 90 intent to discontinue service which then made Williamsport eligible to become an EAS market. Had there been a second air carrier flying at Williamsport, Piedmot could have easiler departed the market. Being the only air carrier, the DOT prohibited Piedmont from discontinuing until a new, EAS subsidized, air carrier could be found. I believe if DOT rejects the 2nd bids for the EAS service (again maybe subsidy being too high) that's when Piedmont can leave the market and Williamsport become a page in the airline history books.
 
I "think" what happened here was Williamsport was ,previously, an unsidsidized market.
You "think" pretty correctly now that I've looked at the background - while IPT was an unsubsidized market it was EAS eligible. As you say, once PDT became the only carrier serving the market, the DOT wouldn't let them stop service until a replacement was awarded the bid (or PDT awarded the bid to continue service).

So in this case not the drawback of being the EAS carrier, but the drawback of being the last carrier serving an EAS eligible market.

Jim
 
Loss of air service would really stink for Williamsport... They're already in the middle of nowhere? I wonder what the next closest airport is? MDT? or SCE? ugh, neither are really a great option for the people who live there.
 
Loss of air service would really stink for Williamsport... They're already in the middle of nowhere? I wonder what the next closest airport is? MDT? or SCE? ugh, neither are really a great option for the people who live there.

I'm not too familiar with the geographical makeup of Central PA. Isn't Williamsport about halfway between Wilkes-Barre (AVP) and State College? (And that's not saying a whole lot!) It sounds like loss of commercial air service will really have an impact on this area.
 
The drawback to applying for EAS routes - you can't just drop them mid-stream.

Jim
Sounds like a plan pull out of small airports and wait for government subsidizes. Sounds like 1950's-78 CAB
 
I'm not too familiar with the geographical makeup of Central PA. Isn't Williamsport about halfway between Wilkes-Barre (AVP) and State College? (And that's not saying a whole lot!) It sounds like loss of commercial air service will really have an impact on this area.
SCE is the nearest to IPT, with AVP being quite a hike from there.
 
and someone in USAir planning blew it big time.

Talk about a nice 'smack' from the DOT:

We fully acknowledge that the community strongly supports Piedmont’s proposal and that the carrier has served the community for some time and has provided reliable essential air service. Given the disparity in the subsidy required to support these proposed services (Piedmont’s proposal costs more than $400,000 more annually than Mesaba’s proposal), we find that the overall objectives of the EAS program are best served by the selection of Mesaba. As we have stated since the inception of the EAS program, the program is not intended to provide all the scheduled air service that a community desires; rather, EAS is simply the level of service that the government should guarantee to ensure that a community will have access to the national air transportation system. Under the circumstances, we cannot justify spending almost $900,000 ($440,000 per year) in additional funding during the two-year contract. We find that the subsidy level is reasonable for the service Mesaba proposed.
One of the reasons the community prefers Piedmont is its service to Philadelphia as opposed to Mesaba’s service to Detroit. We note that, according to the Official Airline Guide, Philadelphia receives 629 total departures a day compared to 616 at Detroit. Upon further examination, however, we note that Northwest operates more departures a day at Detroit than
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does US Airways at Philadelphia (489 vs. 444), allowing for more seamless on-line connections.
The community also supports Piedmont because it believes that Piedmont is better equipped to grow the market so that it no longer needs EAS subsidy. In that regard, in their proposals, Piedmont projects 16,206 passengers and Mesaba projects 26,229 compared to over 50,000 the community generated in 2007, albeit based on five round trips a day. On a per-flight basis, Mesaba projects 20 passengers per flight while Piedmont projects only 13. It appears that Piedmont’s passenger forecast is very low, resulting in a higher subsidy rate. Even a passenger forecast that assumed the historical number of passengers per flight would result in about 20,000 passengers, which equates to about $320,000 in additional revenue, and would make this case very competitive. Based on Piedmont’s own forecast of 13 passengers on a 37-seat aircraft, it is difficult to conclude that Piedmont is better positioned to work the community off subsidy.
The community also takes issue with our referring to Mesaba’s “34-seat†Saab 340 aircraft, stating that the number of seats actually available for sale ranges from 28-32. We note that Mesaba’s own proposal is internally inconsistent in that it refers to its aircraft as 34-seat in its cover letter, but uses 32 seats in its subsidy calculations for available seat miles.1 We are aware that there can be some conditions in which not all seats on an aircraft can be made available for sale, typically on long routes in hot and high conditions. Nonetheless, the point is that the program’s statutory minimum requires that communities receive at least two round trips a day, provided with 15-seat aircraft. Mesaba’s proposed service far exceeds those minimum requirements.
The community notes that Piedmont proposes to add a third round trip “when economically feasible.†However, because that service would not be subsidized, it would not be part of the contract and we could not require it. Therefore, it carriers very little decisional weight.
Finally, Mesaba’s proposed service, along with its codeshare agreement with Northwest Airlines, offers Williamsport travelers excellent access to the national air transportation system, via numerous connecting opportunities at Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport.
Therefore, based on all of the above, we will select Mesaba to provide EAS at Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
Carrier
 
God DAMN it.

I thoroughly enjoyed flying in and out of IPT, and think this is a stupid step backward for a minor cog in the large machine.

So it goes. I hope Mesaba knocks it out of the park with their service, and that market grows accordingly- such that it blackens Dougie's eye for being such a douche.

Best of luck, Williamsport. I will miss you.

PDT CA
 
I think this is very interesting and would believe Piedmont/US Airways are not all that upset that Piedmont was not selected (they may even be relevied). I'd wish Mesaba "Good Luck". You're going to need it.

One of the biggest complaints of the EAS program is it providing service that communities do not want or will use. Even Mr. Reynolds mentions EAS is not intended to provide all the scheduled air service a community desires, it simply provides a level of service that ensures the community can have access (show on their annual community profile) to the national air transportation service. 2 round trip flights a day is not going to offer an effective access into the national air transportation system. Imagin the problems with maintenance and/or weather delays, or out right cancellations of any one of those 2 flights (some pissed-off passenger who will now direct their anger at Northwest/Delta. Better Northwest/Delta than US Airways.

The population of Williamsport will abandon Mesaba and will simply drive to more distant airports. It will be interesting to follow Mesaba's success, or lack of success, in this market. Colan may have been the smarter of the three original airlines interested in this EAS market. They elected not to reapply.
 
While it stinks to lose service to IPT, there are larger markets in the same boat. I don't think that US will suffer much, if any due to ending service in this market. There are several other "Small town" airports in Pa. which have a much larger population base that don't draw enough traffic. Those that come to mind, are ABE, AVP,and MDT. It has been proven that people will drive over an hour to a larger airport for a better selection and frequency of flights. A prime example is the ABE airport, which has had a major decline in traffic over the last 10 years. The area has grown in both population and business, but many in the area don't utilize the airport. Passengers will either drive to EWR or PHL instead of using a nearby convienent airport. In essence they are hurting thier own cause by not using the local facility. Without enough local traffic all of the airlines serving the airport are forced to cut service making the situation worse. If demand were to increase, more service could be offered. Seven years ago ABE had MAINLINE service by US, NW, UA, DL, and a few short stints by AA, TW, ML, and PA. Today all of their mainline service is gone with the exception of ONE mainline flight per day by US to CLT. At this time Allegiant Air runs some service to Fla. but even they have been forced to cut flights. To sum it all up, if you provide a local aiprort and the people choose not to support it there is nothing else to do except to leave the market as in this case. Use it, or lose it......
 
Aw, c'mon Sig. There are other Wegmans out there... It was a good overnight though.
 

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