US vs Co Pay Cuts//top Guys

[Bob Owens]

Roach also represents over 100,000 members in transporation don't forget that fact.

[post="248773"][/post]​

And what was the revenue generated? $26 million?

Has Roach delivered increased wages and benifits to those members?

Has his pay as a result been increased or decreased?

http://erds.dol-esa.gov/query/

Roach made over $221,000 last year.

The 100,000 members do not have the right to vote him out of office, even if all 100,000 signed a petition to remove him, at leat stockholders can vote out top executives.

 

[700UW]

His pay is set by the membership.

 

[700UW]

Whipped soundly?

Apparently you don't realize no union won anything and the bankruptcy laws do not favor the workers.

Don't forget those facts, there was no way the IAM could reach a deal that would layoff 50% of the workforce.

And Roach does not negotiate the contract, the District Negotiating Committee does.

See you were not there and do not know what happened, you are starting to remind me of a certain pilot.

 

[Bob Owens]

His pay is set by the membership.

[post="248781"][/post]​

Oh really? Please elaborate how there is such a disparity between what he makes and what the members make. Explain how "his pay is set by the membership"? Do you mean the more members, no matter how little they make, the more he gets?

 

[700UW]

Go read the IAM Constitution, it is all contained in there on how the pay levels are set.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't care if he represents the frigging Pope!


Your union fought the last war and got whipped soundly. It's strategy and tactics were 40 years old and Glass and company counteracted your moves at every turn. .

[post="248784"][/post]​

Wrong on that point, they did not fight, they whimpered, grumbled and accepted whatever they company demanded.

Airline workers should have gotten together right after deregulation and reorganized the entire labor movement in this industry. Then we could have shut down the whole thing and let the banks eat the losses instead of the workers.

 

[Bob Owens]

Whipped soundly?

Apparently you don't realize no union won anything and the bankruptcy laws do not favor the workers.

Don't forget those facts, there was no way the IAM could reach a deal that would layoff 50% of the workforce.

And Roach does not negotiate the contract, the District Negotiating Committee does.

See you were not there and do not know what happened, you are starting to remind me of a certain pilot.

[post="248785"][/post]​

No but we can all guess from the wreckage what happened.

 

[Bob Owens]

Go read the IAM Constitution, it is all contained in there on how the pay levels are set.

[post="248792"][/post]​

So in other words you really are not sure how Roach ended up getting over $221,000?

 

[700UW]

I really like how you keep avoiding the whole issue of how you were shown to be wrong on Neeleman versus Lakefield.

Why can't you stick to the issue at hand?

You are trying to divert attention from the real issue of how US Airways Executive Compensation is out of hand compared to the other carriers.

 

[700UW]

Robert Roach is a elected General Vice President.

Funny thing is I don't remember voting for Lakefield.

The topic at hand is CEO cuts, not union pay.

Don't get mad that I proved you wrong when it compares Lakefield to Neeleman's compensation, just accept it and keep to the issue at hand.

 

[Bob Owens]

I really like how you keep avoiding the whole issue of how you were shown to be wrong on Neeleman versus Lakefield.

Why can't you stick to the issue at hand?

You are trying to divert attention from the real issue of how US Airways Executive Compensation is out of hand compared to the other carriers.

[post="248802"][/post]​

I agree with you on Exec compensation but defending Roach was the wrong move.

The fact is that these union leaders have no accountability to the members they claim to serve. As they do nothing to help the members they reward themselves generously with funds provided by the members.

 

[Bob Owens]

Robert Roach is a elected General Vice President.

Did you, as a member, not a delegate, vote for Roach?

Funny thing is I don't remember voting for Lakefield.

Do you own stock?

The topic at hand is CEO cuts, not union pay.

Don't get mad that I proved you wrong when it compares Lakefield to Neeleman's compensation, just accept it and keep to the issue at hand.

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[700UW]

He does not own the company, he has 7.1% of the stock, Jetblue is a publically traded company it has no owner and every CEO except Lakefield as he has not been here long enough get all the stock option and free stock just like Neeleman.

Look at Wolf, Gangwal and Siegel, they own tremendous amounts of stock and Neeleman cares about his company unlike the others.

And like I said, stick to the issue, the issue is not Roach, not the IAM it is Executive Compensation, stop trying to divert attention from the issue at hand.

 

[Bob Owens]

He does not own the company, he has 7.1% of the stock, Jetblue is a publically traded company it has no owner and every CEO except Lakefield as he has not been here long enough get all the stock option and free stock just like Neeleman.

Look at Wolf, Gangwal and Siegel, they own tremendous amounts of stock and Neeleman cares about his company unlike the others.

And like I said, stick to the issue, the issue is not Roach, not the IAM it is Executive Compensation, stop trying to divert attention from the issue at hand.

[post="248815"][/post]​

You are splitting hairs here. Every stockholder "owns" a "share" of the company.

 

[unit4clt]

And like I said, stick to the issue, the issue is not Roach, not the IAM it is Executive Compensation, stop trying to divert attention from the issue at hand.

[post="248815"][/post]​

The IAM should have thought about OPPOSING executive compensation before they agreed to sell out the workers. What is disturbing is the Compensation union officials recieve to costantly side with management!!! :down: :down: