US vs Co Pay Cuts//top Guys

[MrAeroMan]

Whipped soundly?

Apparently you don't realize no union won anything and the bankruptcy laws do not favor the workers.

Don't forget those facts, there was no way the IAM could reach a deal that would layoff 50% of the workforce.

And Roach does not negotiate the contract, the District Negotiating Committee does.

See you were not there and do not know what happened, you are starting to remind me of a certain pilot.

[post="248785"][/post]​

Your posts are actually far worse than anything US320 has ever posted. You make excuses for inept management at the union level and blame EVERYTHING on management when in actuality there is more than enough blame to go around for all involved. No one is pure and white in this whole debacle especially the union hacks like Roach. If he was in management at UAIR you'd be bellywhining about him like you do about the managers at UAIR. Fact is they're cut from the same cloth. He's got his cushy job and hasn't suffered any whacks to his lifestyle while the membership that he oversees falls ever closer to the edge of a very deep chasm. I've said this before and it's even more appropriate now.
In 100 years when people look at the labor movement history in this country they will look at this point in time and see that never has one group of labor leaders lost so much for it's members, been devoid of any real purpose or meaningful ideas on how to promote labor and set the labor movement back to the 1960's levels. They should hang their head in shame.

 

[700UW]

MrAero, you are nothing but another backseat driver with no dog in the fight and all your posts are based on assumptions, another sideline QB.

 

[funguy2]

Risk vs Reward is generally something that many who work in hourly positions just don't grasp. Bill Gates took the risk and created Microsoft should he not reap the lions share of the financial benefit? Same with Mr Neeleman, he took the risk and if his gamble proves correct he will be rich beyond anything Lakefield, Siegel, Wold, Schofield, & Colodny combined will ever be if they all live to be a hundred and that is also a difference you're forgetting. Mr Neeleman is the founder of Jet Blue, so like Gates. So in reality his compensation should NEVER be compared to other CEO's who are hired to run a company.

It's apples to oranges. Just like comparing Mr Roach's compensation is to the people he purports to represent. He gets a quarter million (50K MORE than Neeleman) and his people get the green weenie

[post="248771"][/post]​

PineyBob has a point here, and its even proved true for folks at Southwest... Not only the founders, but also for some of the early pilots, flight attendents, and others who have reportedly retired as millionaires, because there was some program of profitsharing turned into LUV stock early on...

 

[700UW]

George Soros and Chase Manhattan bank financed the majority if Jetblue's start up cost.

 

[MrAeroMan]

MrAero, you are nothing but another backseat driver with no dog in the fight and all your posts are based on assumptions, another sideline QB.

[post="248845"][/post]​

Another example of yet another excuse. You are a lot of things too 700 but out of decency I won't divulge them here. As for me I'll still be here no matter if you like it or not and I imagine it won't be long and you'll be a sideline QB like me. Welcome to the game.....how about a water bottle??

 

[700UW]

Nope, I will have a job, see I have more then one classification seniority, like I said I will have a job covered under the M&R Contract.

But you all think you know me and what I do, but once again you are not correct.

 

[scot]

This thread is about MANAGEMENT/BOD compensation and NOT UNIONS.
Please return to the topic of the thread or IT WILL BE CLOSED.


THANKS.

😱ff: 😱ff: 😱ff: :cop: :cop: :cop:

Also in the future please take personal items to PMs and quit posting them on the board.

 

[Bob Owens]

They should hang their head in shame.

[post="248841"][/post]​

No they should be hung.

 

[mweiss]

I guess you are ignorant, since Neeleman makes less then Siegel and/or Lakefield, maybe you should take the time to read the DEF14A.

Or maybe you should take the time to read what I write before responding to it. :huh:

...what about the $4.5 Million also paid out to Siegel last year, that should be factored in too.

[post="248764"][/post]​

Not when comparing Lakefield's compensation to Neeleman's.

 

[mweiss]

I really like how you keep avoiding the whole issue of how you were shown to be wrong on Neeleman versus Lakefield.

Right, which is why you somehow confused the discussion with a comparison between Neeleman and Siegel.

Why can't you stick to the issue at hand?

Funny, I was going to ask you the same question.

 

[700UW]

Lakefield $425,000 + $65,000 BOD Fees.

Neeleman $200,000 in salary $95,000 Bonus.

 

[mweiss]

MrAero, you are nothing but another backseat driver with no dog in the fight and all your posts are based on assumptions, another sideline QB.

[post="248845"][/post]​

Hardly makes his opinions wrong, though. In fact, with no dog in the fight, he's more likely to be objective enough to see the truth. :blink:

 

[mweiss]

Lakefield $425,000 + $65,000 BOD Fees.

Neeleman $200,000 in salary $95,000 Bonus.

[post="249121"][/post]​

OK, that's a good start.

Now, how much did Lakefield's net worth appreciate from US, including all vectors? How about Neeleman?

See, it's all a question of perspective. This is hardly a black and white issue.

 

[700UW]

Neeleman recieved no stock in 2003. Bruce must not have much money, remember he can't take a pay cut, he needs to maintain a residence in DCA.

And we don't know Bruce's or Dave's total compensation for 2004 yet.

 

[mweiss]

Neeleman recieved no stock in 2003.

[post="249147"][/post]​

I really wish you'd brush up on your reading comprehension. Do you understand "including all vectors?" How about "net worth?"

Care to try to answer my question this time, or are you going to continue to toss red herring in my direction?