USAPA Files

[EastUS]

You have to be a moron to believe that a Blockholding Captain should be slotted behind a Reserve First Officer.

East pilots, unethical and mentally challenged, I'm ashamed to have to work with them.

You/anyone would have to be a "moron" to fail to aknowledge the slightest utility/value of experience and time worked.

As for "mentally challenged"...you're seemingly stuck on a repetitive rant involving the fewest syllables possible...nothing even the slightest bit imaginative or original to offer?...Sure that your'e not in management?..Are you even half smart enough to fly planes around with actual human beings foolishly trusting you on board? If you're even a pilot...you may wish to note that things can/do happen that exceed your 30 degree banked "education", farmer boy comfort zone, and are truly serious aloft...even though God Allmighty clearly spares some selected village idiots from excessive stress it seems...but; not all of us.

"I'm ashamed to have to work with them." This isn't war. You've no national service duty to discharge via further flying. You've no commitment to any corporate entity that requires your august presence.....Feel free to get lost. Seriously; I wish upon no man to do that which is against his principles..(if any in your case)..and it's flatly bad for the soul to do any such.

You make a fine internet "shill"...but little else...and offer nothing of substantive value.

PS: If it were War...I'd certainly much prefer to have you on the other side rather than in my flight...both the spinelessness and the notions of loyalty deficiencies would concern me somewhat.

 

[EastUS]

1. Operation Rolling Thunder picketing event - US No shows

1. Joint MEC Meeting


Next week, the America West and US Airways MECs are scheduled to convene jointly on November 9 and 10, in Tyson’s Corner, Va. Captain Prater called the meeting for the MECs to discuss the response to the USAPA raid and to develop and staff a process for resolving issues of importance to both pilot groups in order to develop a common strategy.

US No Shows


2. Negotiation of a Collective Bargaining Agreement
The Association and the Airline Parties will negotiate a single collective bargaining
agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways (the
“Single Agreementâ€￾) as follows:

US Fails to live up to it's agreements

These are just the quick ones. There's a list a mile long. And the U-SAPs/AAA MEC cabal makes each equally guilty.

I doubt you can disprove any, though you may try to defend the indefensible. It's U-SAPS stock and trade.

Correct my simple mind if I'm in fullest error herein...but: Weren't/aren't all of those Alpo issues? It's my simple minded understanding that USAPA isn't yet established...perhaps I'm wrong here?

 

[traderjake]

BTW How do you justify in your mind keeping a 20+ yr. F/O in the same seat to retirement while the younger west guys inherit all the Capt. seats flown to retirement.

The loss of retirement attrition is unfair, assuming we would have survived without the merger.

You correct it with a fence of 5 or 7 years.

We could have easily negotiated one with the West or gotten one from the arbitrator if we had not spent a year trying to steal jobs from the West through DOH.

 

[EastUS]

The loss of retirement attrition is unfair, assuming we would have survived without the merger.

You correct it with a fence of 5 or 7 years.

We could have easily negotiated one with the West or gotten one from the arbitrator if we had not spent a year trying to steal jobs from the West through DOH.

I've a question good squire: Are YOU trying to steal any west job? Is it in any part/parcel/purveyance of the hopefully newborn Union to steal any west job? I certainly don't want any west job that harms them for my gain. WTF's your "point" here? Where the hell do you get your BS assumptions from? Know what? = I'd love a 757 to HI run....BUT...that isn't/wasn't "my" turf to take..and those now flying it at AWA, earned it...period. AWA made those routes and flies those planes...PERIOD. The east didn't "bring" that route, nor those planes..and no eastie should take anything of the sort from any west pilot.

 

[traderjake]

You/anyone would have to be a "moron" to fail to aknowledge the slightest utility/value of experience and time worked.

You have to be a moron to believe that the number of years it took you to hold a job is more important than the job itself.

Years of service are not meaningless but they do mean less than an actual job.

 

[traderjake]

Is it in any part/parcel/purveyance of the hopefully newborn Union to steal any west job?

Absolutely, DOH Seniority Integration.

 

[EastUS]

Absolutely, DOH Seniority Integration.

Sigh...I "clearly" see "your point"...umm..WTF is it again?...Given that I've noted my ideas on not "stealing" west positions at any level..ever? Sheesh...you wouldn't even make a decent 2LT/FNG in any fight. If you really ARE an east "pilot"....I'm ashamed to be associated with you, if that helps your future, few syllables, very compact/etc ranting any. Granted that this is merely some corporate enterprise, without any "serious" function....I'm still irritated to wear the same "costume" at work as yourself...assuming that you're actually an east pilot..an issue on which I've proper doubts. 😉 I'm thinking "shill". See here's my problem = most pilots are actually fairly intelligent at the least, speak/type coherent english, and have some imagination.

"I wouldn't want to join any club that'd have ME as a member" Groucho

 

[fr8tmastr]

Absolutely, DOH Seniority Integration.

In a previous post you said a 5 to 7 year fence would fix the problem. If that is true, why were you against the East proposal with similar fencing?

 

[EastUS]

In a previous post you said a 5 to 7 year fence would fix the problem. If that is true, why were you against the East proposal with similar fencing?

I'm still thinking "shill" = this guy doesn't even "sound" like a pilot= zero "arrogance"/self confidence....likewise no evident backbone/spine, no response to direct insults/etc..something's "not right" here. Ever known any pilot with such "humility"?....I haven't...nor would I ever trust any such in the sky. You wanna' take some man-made contraption into the actually inhospitable sky?..it doens't hurt to have just a wee bit of "Well shore thang liddle lady..I'll take care of you and yours safely"...the brains, training, experience and knowledge to back that up as best as is humanly possible....and, not too mention anything actually involving "real" flying...This "guy" just makes no sense to me at any level.

All of us would be utter fools if we weren't alert to possible "trolls" on the website...Heck: I've sometimes wondered if AWA320/Junebug/Luvin737s/etc, et al/ad nauseum...weren't "hired" by the east to make the case 😉..Just kidding on those...I couldn't make them up, nor hire anyone capable of doing half of what their sorts have done for us. I can only assume that such types are wistfully, and hopefully, with baited breath, and dreams of instant east seat Captain slots.....waiting in the wings for an election "failure" 😉 if/ ever at which time..the braying of an angels's choir of select AWA utter jackasses would reach the heavens.

In the meanwhile?...I'll assume that their Alpo Masters have them on choke chains.

Worst case scenario for me? = Alpo's not tossed, and the east still doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

Worst case scenario for any/all of us here? = Alpo's not tossed..and the east still doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

PS: The east truly doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

Let's assume, for a moment..that you all magically get your St Nic "gift" immediately:

We deal with wholly different paradigms..east vs west. Your "Captains" generally have such relatively little time flown that our "First Officers" could properly laugh at their logged hours. I've routinely flown, and fly with fighter squadron Commanders/Exec Officers/etc that were/are my "First Officers", and pre 9-11 USAir Captains...and they'd as soon kill you little boys seeking their seats as look at you. Where does that truly place any fantasies of Nic employment?..Are you badazzed "tough" little westies going to "order" such men around?: = Good luck 😉 What do you seriously imagine happening?..that you as "Captain" could cause them grief via Professional Standards/Whatever avenue that you might imagine?..Call the Chief Pilot..call your Mommy/whatever....Who, do you think will have the respect of said avenues?..YOU?..big "Captains"..rotflmao..spare us all...and kindly Grow TF up, and get real for even a moment.

Regardless of any/all corporate BS, your fondest wishes/etc..there IS a point at which the rubber meets the road operationally.

 

[prechilill]

Worst case scenario for me? = Alpo's not tossed, and the east still doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

Worst case scenario for any/all of us here? = Alpo's not tossed..and the east still doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

PS: The east truly doesn't want anything to do with Nic.

Let's assume, for a moment..that you all magically get your St Nic "gift" immediately:

We deal with wholly different paradigms..east vs west. Your "Captains" generally have such relatively little time flown that our "First Officers" could properly laugh at their logged hours. I've routinely flown, and fly with fighter squadron Commanders/Exec Officers/etc that were/are my "First Officers", and pre 9-11 USAir Captains...and they'd as soon kill you little boys seeking their seats as look at you. Where does that truly place any fantasies of Nic employment?..Are you badazzed "tough" little westies going to "order" such men around?: = Good luck 😉 What do you seriously imagine happening?..that you as "Captain" could cause them grief via Professional Standards/Whatever avenue that you might imagine?..Call the Chief Pilot..call your Mommy/whatever....Who, do you think will have the respect of said avenues?..YOU?..big "Captains"..rotflmao..spare us all...and kindly Grow TF up, and get real for even a moment.

This poster demonstrates the piloting profession has been reduced to the lowest common denominator if this is representative of anything. This has to be some kind of circus act that is for entertainment only- no other logical explanation for the repeated Kaczynski-style incoherent manifestos about nothing from this guy.

 

[SegmentKing]

I'm thinking that USAPA is going to give seniority to the MDA guys... I mean, they WERE flying aircraft that was on the AAA cert.... that's something ALPA isn't doing and is being sued over. That right there is gonna give you 300 solid votes, and I think that 85% of the east pilots agree that the time flown at MDA should count as time at USAirways.

Heck, all our paperwork for MDA.. the only thing "Express" about those planes was lack of First Class and it said it on the side of the plane.

Has USAPA made any official statements about the MDA fiasco? and if they have, has AFA listened?

 

[N924PS]

EastUS

With each of your posts I am drawn even deeper away from ever choosing USAPA as my union. Your arrogance and disdain for the West pilot group conveys to me the true colors of the representation the pilot group might expect from USAPA.

Any fencesitters should only read your litany of posts to remind them they should vote for ALPA when the opportunity presents itself.

And if you aren't USAPA's biggest SHILL.......

But I guess the fighter pilot syndrome says it all, and Air Force at that!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Any fencesitters should only read your litany of posts to remind them they should vote for ALPA when the opportunity presents itself.

And if you aren't USAPA's biggest SHILL.......

And any fence sitters who read the past litany of posts by the west guys should be enough to move into USAPA's corner. The mudslinging on this board only reaffirms my position. All under the tutelage of ALPA.

BTW. As I learned this summer character assassinations is quite honorable under ALPA as a negotiating tool.

Likewise, your defense of ALPA must put you in the same corner as a "shill".

 

[AAA73Pilot]

What is so laughable about this whole debacle, is that the same group that is so intent on removing ALPA from the property would be the first one's trying to shove BINDING ARBITRATION down the West's throat
had their position prevailed.

Please do not confuse USAPA leadership with ALPA leadership. They are very distinct entities. Our vision for the future is to have a merger policy that never gets to arbitration. Especially when it pertains to DOH/LOS.

 

[TechBoy]

I've routinely flown, and fly with fighter squadron Commanders/Exec Officers/etc that were/are my "First Officers", and pre 9-11 USAir Captains...and they'd as soon kill you little boys seeking their seats as look at you. Where does that truly place any fantasies of Nic employment?..Are you badazzed "tough" little westies going to "order" such men around?: = Good luck 😉 What do you seriously imagine happening?..that you as "Captain" could cause them grief via Professional Standards/Whatever avenue that you might imagine?..Call the Chief Pilot..call your Mommy/whatever....Who, do you think will have the respect of said avenues?..YOU?..big "Captains"..rotflmao..spare us all...and kindly Grow TF up, and get real for even a moment.

Oh my. I think that you may need some counseling. You must have quite the inferiority complex.

It's just flying a plane. A skilled job, but hardly rocket science. Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves.