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Watch the July 14th, 2012 - AMFA Informational Meeting

It appears the Teamsters have some exprience in bankruptcy, show us their results and superior representation.

Continental Airlines (CAL) is the fourth largest airline in the US based on revenue passenger miles. It was founded in 1931 and commenced operations in 1934. Continental Airlines had been through Chapter 11 twice. It filed for bankruptcy for the first time in September 1983 and remained under Chapter 11 from 1983 to 1986. Continental filed for its second bankruptcy in 1990 mainly due to the increased jet fuel prices after the Gulf War of 1990. In 1993, Air Canada, Air Partners and Texas Pacific Group enabled Continental to emerge from bankruptcy by investing $450 million in the airline.
Was Continental Airlines heading towards bankruptcy for the third time before merging with United Airlines (UAUA)? Altman Z-score analysis, capital structure analysis, and profitability analysis shows that the company was in distress before the merger was announced.
 
Tell us Anomaly, how much heavy maintenance outsourcing does the IBT allow at Continental?
 
Anamloy, so you agree that AMFA did not agree to the loss of OAK and INDY but instead it the IAM that agreed to that, which is what the post I made stated clearly, and then you go on rambling to further show that AMFA fared way better than the TWU did in the Bankruptcy.

TWU did not save our defined pension, the PBGC director did by filing legal leans on AA property.

Everything else when compared AMFA did better.

Thanks for the timeline, I will use this to get more AMFA cards signed.

Do you have anymore of that type of data to share? You are becoming our best AMFA organizer, keep up the great work.

Maybe you can now show how much better the other work groups at UAL fared than the Mechanic and Related?? Surely if AMFA was so inferior and unprepared, you can how the other work groups did so much better in bankruptcy?? How about the IBT at Continental, do you have that type of data on that Bankruptcy Case?

Sure, Why don't you use this slogan


"Join amfa, loose an additional 14% of your pay"
 
AND MORE ON THE TWU LIES

How many of you have been told that AMFA was to blame at UAL for the closing of the Indianaplois and Oakland Maintenance Bases?

Here is the IAM/UAL restructuring agrrement and Page 8 clearly show that is was the IAM that allowed those base closures.

http://www.amfa-aa.c...ay_OAK_INDY.pdf

Once again,

As usual, you are only telling half the story. Or at least the part that helps you produce your fantasy about amfa.

Lets start from the raise in 2002.

March 5, 2002
IAM 141-M members ratify February 18 T/A. Contract features 37% pay increase for top mechanics and retroactive pay paid in eight quarterly payments. Pension multiplier increases from $60.04 to $87.00.

October 21, 2002
UAL announces the closure of one of three 757 maintenance lines at the Indianapolis Maintenance Center. This results in 250 mechanic furloughs.

December 9, 2002
UAL files for bankruptcy protection under Chapter 11.

December 18, 2002
United announces a mechanic furlough of additional 569 employees: 275 from IND and 160 from SFO/OAK and other line stations (I was one of these with over 18 years).

January 7, 2003
United announces wage reduction agreements as ratified by ALPA, TWU and PAFCA in conjunction with UAL's 1113© filing with the bankruptcy court. United also asks the court to impose interim wage reductions under Section 1113(e) for IAM District 141 and 141-M, because this union did not reach interim agreements on wage reductions with the company. The Court is
expected to rule on UAL's 1113(e) motion against the IAM by January 10, 2003.

March 20, 2003
UAL informs 1,100 mechanics at the Indianapolis Maintenance Center that they will be placed on "temporary unpaid leave" effective March 24. The company cites a "force majuere" contract clause due to the war in Iraq. This allows the company to avoid paying traditional furlough benefits including severance pay, bumping rights, and moving expenses.

April 3, 2003
IAM District 141-M forces company to grant furlough benefits to all Indianapolis Maintenance Center workers place on unpaid leave by filing a preliminary injunction in a U.S. District Court.

April 11, 2003 - THIS IS THE POINT YOU POSTED about Indy which also wiped out the 2002 raise.
IAM District 141-M reaches a T/A with United Airlines. Pay and benefit cuts total $349 million annually for six years. Details of the settlement include a 13 percent all inclusive reduction in hourly wage rates, twenty percent co-pay toward the cost of health insurance and modified work rules.

April 29, 2003
IAM 141-M members ratify agreement with a 70% yes vote. Company withdraws the 1113© motion to reject the CBA.

May 2, 2003
United said it filed a motion in bankruptcy court "to reject its lease at IMC (Indianapolis Maintenance Center) in order to make permanent the closing of the facility." In the same motion it also indicated it will permanently shut down a second repair base in Oakland, CA.

July 2003
Employees allowed to sell their ESOP shares. The typical worker's $70,000 to $100,000 in foregone wages yields a distribution of approximately $2,000.

July 13, 2003
AMFA wins representational vote for Mechanic and Related employees at United. The National Mediation Board certifies AMFA on July 14, 2003.

Much like the situation you were just faced with, we were forced with a no win vote in 2003. UAL was crying poor and the employees were going to pay for the officers bonus one way or another. The company had been pushing the idea to sell off all assets through liquidation as well as nullify the agreement, and too many of us bought in to the idea that they such a move would be possible. Who knows?

What is unspoken by TWU Informer is the campaign for amfa at the time is exactly what is going on right now at AA. We were bombarded with all the same rhetoric you are hearing now. How the industrial unions failed, how they lied, and how the only savior will be to create a craft union of mechanics to represent only our interests. We heard the same thing, and we bought that too. Why not? It could not get much worse, right?

It did. Besides loosing our 2002 wage rates, we took even more cuts to pay and benefits and finally lost our retirement.


November 4, 2004
UAL delivers to the AMFA/UAL 1113 Negotiating Committee the Company Term Sheet (CTS) that lists the changes to the previous IAM CBA that enable the company to save $101 million in average annual costs. The company intends to file an 1113© motion with the bankruptcy court with an early January 2005 hearing date. UAL REOPENS THE CONTRACT nullifying the agreement you posted!

November 30, 2004
The AMFA Negotiating Committee and United Airlines negotiators open discussion to seek an agreement that would avert the company's scheduled January 10, 2005 bankruptcy court hearing to abrogate our CBA. Talks proceed every week for the six week period leading up to the January 10, 2005 hearing (the hearing date was moved up to January 7, 2005 in early January). The discussions are open to the membership as per AMFA constitution but the company does not see the value. Nothing of substance is discussed by UAL with the open arena and the talks go nowhere but down. An agreement is eventually reached, but it is insignificant and is in essence a trap by the company.

January 28, 2005
AMFA members (57%) reject the tentative agreement and support strike by 85%. This closes the jaws on the unsuspecting mechanics and three days later, the companies plan is aboout to unfold.

January 31, 2005
Judge Wedoff rules in the Company's favor on an 1113(e) motion to temporarily change some of the contract terms. These changes include a 9.8% reduction of all wages, 75% pay for all sick leave absences less than 16 consecutive days, and postponement of a 5-1-05 pay increase. The motion also bars AMFA from striking unless the company initiates a permanent non-consensual change to our CBA. This temporary order expires May 31, 2005.

It became very apparent that amfa brought a knife to a gun fight. They were just TOO un prepared and TOO inexperienced for these types of bankruptcy proceedings. amfa simply could not compete.

May 16, 2005
AMFA reaches a tentative concessionary agreement with United Airlines. The tentative agreement includes:
" an additional 3.9% reduction of all wage factors "

In addition we lost the following:
1 Holidays reduced from ten to eight beginning 2006.
2 Overtime pay limited to 1.5x.
3 Holiday pay limited to 2x.
4 Sick pay (regular and industrial) for first seven days paid at 75%, thereafter 100%.
5 Computer Technician and Utility workers outsourced.

May 31, 2005
AMFA announces the ratification of the tentative agreement by a 59% to 41% margin by only 81% of the eligible voters take part in this election.

Worst of all was when we lost our defined pension benefit plan. All amfa could do was stand by and watch. The seeham circus filed inexplicable and pointless law suits which ended up solidifying the companies position and making future pension plan forfeitures easier. At this point, many of us knew the mistake we had made by supporting amfa.

Don't make the same mistake. Do NOT support amfa.
 
How about TEAMSTERS outsourcing in 2009

Continental 45% heavy outsource to Hong Kong, Spain, and France
United 41% heavey outsource to China, Hong Kong, and South Korea

"SUPPORT TEAMSTERS, SEND YOUR JOB OVERSEAS"

Source: TWU Report on Outsourcing Dated March 2011
see report: http://www.amfa-aa.c...outsourcing.pdf

outsourcing_web.jpg
 
How about TEAMSTERS outsourcing in 2009

Continental 45% heavy outsource to Hong Kong, Spain, and France
United 41% heavey outsource to China, Hong Kong, and South Korea

"SUPPORT TEAMSTERS, SEND YOUR JOB OVERSEAS"

Source: TWU Report on Outsourcing Dated March 2011
see report: http://www.amfa-aa.c...outsourcing.pdf

outsourcing_web.jpg

No mention of the failures of amfa at Southwest or Alaska, but clearly TWU has the upper hand when it comes to outsourcing.

Very good chart. Thanks
 
Sure, Why don't you use this slogan


"Join amfa, loose an additional 14% of your pay"
. How about this slogan. Better yet this is fact. Join the teamsters and pay 30% more union dues. Like Dave said I would rather stay with the twu before having the teamsters represent me. I am not and have never been a flip flopper. I would rather have the least of two evils. Good news is that we do not have to pick the two evils. We have a real craft union to choose from. You know which one that is. A.M.F.A.!
 

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