Watch the July 14th, 2012 - AMFA Informational Meeting

[TWU informer]

Never seen you hold a vote no sign Informer. Or even state your position from the corner. That wage after 3 years was looking pretty good to you and you were relieved with the passage of the TA. Don't try to hide, you know you love it there, you told KOTV so, and the TWU has made it happen for you.... 😛

This where your mentality and mine are light years apart.

I work for American Airlines, and you work for the TWU.

And the TWU has gained nothing from "fighting" it has always been what the company laid out on the table and offered.

Given your ideaology, you will soon be working AMFA.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Just to clarify, under AMFA at UAL we did shoot down the companys first offer.

While we did agree to concessions, the take wasn't as severe as it would've been had we taken the first ask of the company.

We had an offer in 2010 that Informer supported but the no vote coalition thought better of that deal so we ended up much worse, bargaining in bankruptcy from wages from the 2003 contract. Sure would have been nice to capture the monies out of the 2010 deal, but that is water under the bridge now.....

 

[TWU informer]

I tried to watch it but got bored. Could'nt fast forward through any of the same O'l song and dance to get to anything interesting. Did anyone in the room ask what AMFA would have done if they were faced with the same scenario as the TWU and the AA bankruptcy? I would like to hear what the comment may have been. Seems Del Femme some years back told the United guys they didn't want to go the road of abrogation when AMFA had their short stint with those folks. That response for me would have kept my interest but like I said I got bored.... -_-

Again, our thought process is light years away.

Nobody could say "what AMFA would do", because the membership decides the direction.
You are still trying to apply TWU Mentality when asking questions about a fully democratic membership controlled union.
I have come to believe that you are so damn closed minded, you cannot even grasp or imagine what "membership control" means.
Otherwise you would not keep posting those stupid questions as if AMFA is another dictatorship like you have now.

 

[TWU informer]

We had an offer in 2010 that Informer supported but the no vote coalition thought better of that deal so we ended up much worse, bargaining from wages from the 2003 contract. Sure would have been nice to capture the monies out of the 2010 deal, but that is water under the bridge now.....

Just like you stooges keep saying about the recent uncertified claim of ratification of the worst concessions known to man,
"Get over it" already that was over 2 years ago.

 

[High Speed Steel]

This where your mentality and mine are light years apart.

I work for American Airlines, and you work for the TWU.

And the TWU has gained nothing from "fighting" it has always been what the company laid out on the table and offered.

Given your ideaology, you will soon be working AMFA.

While we were in mediation in 2010 you did not want to fight knowing nothing better was to come out of it and you wanted to vote for the 2010 deal Informer, then we enter bankruptcy and then you decide you want to fight? Wow.....Momma said, Stupid is as Stupid does..lol

 

[High Speed Steel]

Again, our thought process is light years away.

Nobody could say "what AMFA would do", because the membership decides the direction.
You are still trying to apply TWU Mentality when asking questions about a fully democratic membership controlled union.
I have come to believe that you are so damn closed minded, you cannot even grasp or imagine what "membership control" means.
Otherwise you would not keep posting those stupid questions as if AMFA is another dictatorship like you have now.

So the AMFA simply blames the membership for what ever choices they make even though they may know those choices may lead to their doom....WOW, WOW, WOW.....

 

[TWU informer]

While we were in mediation in 2010 you did not want to fight knowing nothing better was to come out of it and you wanted to vote for the 2010 deal Informer, then we enter bankruptcy and then you decide you want to fight? Wow.....Momma said, Stupid is as Stupid does..lol

I have no doubt that you are unable to see the difference and understand why.
And you want to call me stupid? OK, I respect your opinion, keep making it personal you are a great asset.

 

[TWU informer]

So the AMFA simply blames the membership for what ever choices they make even though they may know those choices may lead to their doom....WOW, WOW, WOW.....

Like I said, I know you cannot grasp the concept.

Maybe you can log into the "live" webcast AMFA meeting in October and sit in privacy of your home with an open mind, and you might actually be able to grasp it.

But you have to drop the idea that the membership is stupid and must be saved from themselves by appointed and unaccountable leaders. The part you seem to miss that there are no secert negotiations and so the members are fully informed and futher kept aprise of the situation. The AMFA leader can express his views, but in the end, the members decide.

 

[1AA]

I tried to watch it but got bored. Could'nt fast forward through any of the same O'l song and dance to get to anything interesting. Did anyone in the room ask what AMFA would have done if they were faced with the same scenario as the TWU and the AA bankruptcy? I would like to hear what the comment may have been. Seems Del Femme some years back told the United guys they didn't want to go the road of abrogation when AMFA had their short stint with those folks. That response for me would have kept my interest but like I said I got bored.... -_-

Bored or just not interested? Big difference. Better start taking notes because the old ways of TWU thinking will soon be over for the AMT's at American Airlines.
Go with the change or you will be left behind. The TWU basic mode of operation has not changed since they got on the property I believe sometime around 1946 or so.
The TWU has not gotten past the 78 LP album era.

 

[AC Tynker]

Doesn't seem to be a very popular thread. That is all I can say about why you have seen limited interest to its content. Maybe you should try the "Alternate MacTiernan Plan" again? You know, AMP....

LMAO

 

[Overspeed]

In fact in the video Lee Seham reads off a list of Job Security "GAINS" made in the 1113 negotiations.
TWU gave ours completely away.

But conveniently left out the losses like all of AO.

 

[Overspeed]

Like I said, I know you cannot grasp the concept.

Maybe you can log into the "live" webcast AMFA meeting in October and sit in privacy of your home with an open mind, and you might actually be able to grasp it.

But you have to drop the idea that the membership is stupid and must be saved from themselves by appointed and unaccountable leaders. The part you seem to miss that there are no secert negotiations and so the members are fully informed and futher kept aprise of the situation. The AMFA leader can express his views, but in the end, the members decide.

Similin' Lee doesn't grasp the concept of class and craft. Needs to spend some time re-reading the definition and how it is applied. The M&R class and craft includes janitors, building cleaners, aircraft washers, parts washers, facilities mechanics, auto mechanics, and painters to name a few. Therefore his story about having a non-A&P licensed group within our A&P craft is false unless he plans on bargaining away those jobs. What will AMFA do if the government loosens up the 145 licensing again and allows more MROs to emerge and in-house M&E groups decide to either drop the license pay for AMTs in overhaul? Will those AMTs become less worthy?

And ALPA didn't cast off (or whatever Seham was insinuating) the FA's. The FA's left ALPA because they felt they weren't be represented well by them kind of like the AA FA's did when they became unhappy with the TWU. AA mechanics did similar with ALMA in the late 1940s and joined the Stores organizing drive with the TWU. He needs to brush up on his history.

Seham's revisionist history of the labor movement in the post-WWII era that industrial unions were nothing more than "dues collection agencies" is false. Industrial unions flexed their muscle by withholding services from an airline by not from just one area like M&E they utilized the collective pressure of a larger group. AMFA tried the withholding services at NWA and that worked awesome. They lost everything so now they do what? Either extend contracts or agree to interest based arbitration.

So the only way we can get a true A&P only union is to allow the outsourcing of all non-A&P required jobs at AA. But based on what has happened over the past ten years at AMFA represented airlines, that IS the AMFA strategy. Growing the wages of a few at the expense of many.

Got it now. Thanks for the informative video regarding AMFA's hidden agenda. Romney and his Bain Capital buddies must be backing AMFA.

 

[Overspeed]

So the AMFA simply blames the membership for what ever choices they make even though they may know those choices may lead to their doom....WOW, WOW, WOW.....

Yep. All those thousands of overhaul AMTs at UA, AS, and NW were saying, "I will vote no on any agreement that does not get me laid off so the Line AMTs can get more."

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

But conveniently left out the losses like all of AO.

I'm not familiar with AA designations ... what exactly is "AO"?

 

[TWU informer]

I'm not familiar with AA designations ... what exactly is "AO"?

Aircraft Overhaul, now he is claiming that UAL outsources all of its Aricraft Overhaul work.