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No. He claimed that the primary cause was their economic plan (socialism). In my opinion they were not socialist. They were a totalitarian dictatorship. Huge difference.

They collapsed because they were corrupt and inept. Their debt was a contributing factor, not the main one.

They were communist, which contains a large component of socialism and state-ism. Not a totalitarian dictatorship as the party voted for their head of state. Huge difference.

Merica is corrupt and inept as well or did you miss the memo...?

Your opinion, but not factually sustainable.
 
The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship trying to mascarade as a socialist country. They were not socialist. A Kibutz is Socialist.

Part of the reason Russia fail was the debt. To day that is was all debt is naive. A larger cause was the fact that the peoee were treated like garbage. The Stasis was allowed to run rampant and people did not have enough to eat. They had no freedom. That is why Russia failed.


Dude...Stasi was East German...............Ivan had KGB.

Ivan wasn't socialist.........communist......................Ivan focused most revenue toward the military/industrialist complex and ignored the masses......Ronnie came along and 'tweeked' the recipe with a bogus US Star Wars campaign and in keeping up with the Jone's, Ivan pumped even more into the M/I thing and Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall.
 
Read the definituonnof communism andnthen look at what Russia was. Not even close. Yea, sure. The politbureau was a free unrestricted vote. come on. Get serious. Russia was a totalitarian dictatorship. They pretended to vote but we all knew what was going to happen. Russia would not have know what communism was if it came up and bit them on the butt.

Never said the US wasn't. To say that we are headed to or are similar to the USSR is ignorant. Similar to the overuse of the Nazi comparisons that people make all the time.
 
The fall of Soviet Communism started with the Gdansk shipyard strikes.

The workers, what Communism was supposed to be all about, had enough of the rich getting richer at their expense.

Lech Walesa had more to do with it than Reagan did.
 
Read the definituonnof communism andnthen look at what Russia was. Not even close. Yea, sure. The politbureau was a free unrestricted vote. come on. Get serious. Russia was a totalitarian dictatorship. They pretended to vote but we all knew what was going to happen. Russia would not have know what communism was if it came up and bit them on the butt.

Never said the US wasn't. To say that we are headed to or are similar to the USSR is ignorant. Similar to the overuse of the Nazi comparisons that people make all the time.

Well Alrighty then. Perhaps it's time to take a look at a few things. The USSR or The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Take note of the name of the country and the descriptor of it's economic model included therein. Can you spell S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-T???? I knew that you could boys and girls. Here is an ARTICLE From the most Liberal/Progressive point of view I could find in order to be unbiased toward Mr Reagan. Some excerpts appear below. From the Strategy for Revolution in 21st Century web page.

NOTE: My comments are in Bold Red

he collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the 1980's was a great blow to the hopes of revolutionaries. Why did it collapse? The primary causes were political and economic and they were the result of the culture of war.

The immediate cause of the Soviet collapse was economic, as the Soviet Union lost the arms race and international competition with the West. The United States was able to profit from its imperialist exploitation of other countries, while socialism could only lose economically in that competition. By the end, the ruble collapsed as Soviet consumers turned to imports to satisfy their needs. They could not buy a good pair of leather boots or a good television set or a computer made in the Soviet Union, because all the boots and the electronics were swallowed up by military procurement. And, needless to say, there were no quality goods to export in order to balance imports. So the economy floundered as the debt mounted and more and more resources were redirect \ed to the failed arms race, sound familiar?

Economic factors were linked to political and psychological factors. As the Soviet economist Latsis said at the time, "the gloomy background of the worsening market situation ... has a depressing effect on people." Their gloom deepened as a result of policy failures such as the explosion of the Chernobyl atomic power plant and the war in Afghanistan (see US military analysis of Afghan war).

Another factor was the lack of honest information, the secrecy and propaganda that is central to the culture of war. As contradictions mounted the Soviet people became more and more cynical about the propaganda of government-controlled media. It was common to hear the Russian people say that you could find truth anywhere except in Pravda and the news anywhere except in Izvestia. This was exacerbated by the propaganda warfare carried out by the West in Radio Free Europe and by dissidents in self-published Samizdat. Hmm, sound like the FISA Courts, Patriot Act, RICO Statutes, Warrantless Searches be conducted under the so called War or Terrorism.

Secrecy and distortion of information have disastrous economic as well as political effects. As explained in a 1991 article "Secrecy and restricted movement, the hallmarks of militarism and bureaucracy, pervaded Soviet society when I was working there. They hampered the work of the scientific institutes where I was located, even though they were not doing military research. As a result, I found that all levels of the system, from institutes to ministries, were isolated from each other, both by barriers to communication and by an attitude that one should mind one's own business."

The command-administrative model of war-communism hobbled economic development. As the article by Latsis put it, "The glitter of [the war-time economic] miracle blinded us for decades, and the command-administrative methods of the extensively developing economy took firm root in the country." In our case we have Obama meddling in private industry, failing to allow drilling for natural resources

When, at the end, the Gorbachev administration realized that they would have to convert military industry to civilian production, they could not even get the Defense Ministry to give them an accurate list of defense industries (See Agaev remarks to the United Nations). In other words, the Soviet Union had developed its own military-industrial complex.

when I said we were head in the direction of the USSR I never stated how close or far I thought we were, just that we were headed there. It' Sort of like I-80 which starts around NYC and ends in CA. Now if I turn westbound on I-80 I'm "Headed" toward CA! So the question is where are we at on the road to CA? Ohio? Iowa? Colorado? It's open as to where we are on the road to oblivion but we have gotten on the highway
 
Well Alrighty then. Perhaps it's time to take a look at a few things. The USSR or The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Take note of the name of the country and the descriptor of it's economic model included therein. Can you spell S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-T???? I knew that you could boys and girls. Here is an ARTICLE From the most Liberal/Progressive point of view I could find in order to be unbiased toward Mr Reagan. Some excerpts appear below. From the Strategy for Revolution in 21st Century web page.

NOTE: My comments are in Bold Red



when I said we were head in the direction of the USSR I never stated how close or far I thought we were, just that we were headed there. It' Sort of like I-80 which starts around NYC and ends in CA. Now if I turn westbound on I-80 I'm "Headed" toward CA! So the question is where are we at on the road to CA? Ohio? Iowa? Colorado? It's open as to where we are on the road to oblivion but we have gotten on the highway

Come on, really? The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Do you want to call the North Koreans or shall I? Writing like a pompous dumbass does not make your posts any more accurate. Do you really want to go there? I do not care what the USSR wanted to call it's self. What they were was very clear. A totalitarian dictatorship.

i believe the article was wrong about the the economic factor. Yes they were bankrupt but so are we. The US is still plodding along. There were numberous other factors at work to cause their collapse.
 
Come on, really? The Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Do you want to call the North Koreans or shall I? Writing like a pompous dumbass does not make your posts any more accurate. Do you really want to go there? I do not care what the USSR wanted to call it's self. What they were was very clear. A totalitarian dictatorship.

i believe the article was wrong about the the economic factor. Yes they were bankrupt but so are we. The US is still plodding along. There were numberous other factors at work to cause their collapse.

Funny thing is we're not discussing North Korea. I found numerous other sites that said essentially the same thing. So I thought occurs to me that you must be the only one to have it all figured out and everyone else from this web site to the Cato Institute has it wrong OR it's the other way around.
 
Dude...Stasi was East German...............Ivan had KGB.

Ivan wasn't socialist.........communist......................Ivan focused most revenue toward the military/industrialist complex and ignored the masses......Ronnie came along and 'tweeked' the recipe with a bogus US Star Wars campaign and in keeping up with the Jone's, Ivan pumped even more into the M/I thing and Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall.


You're right. Same idea though. Secret service is secret service in eastern Europe. You did not want any of them knocking on your door.
 
Funny thing is we're not discussing North Korea. I found numerous other sites that said essentially the same thing. So I thought occurs to me that you must be the only one to have it all figured out and everyone else from this web site to the Cato Institute has it wrong OR it's the other way around.


You seem to be a bit thicker than usual tonight. You pointed out the fact that the second 'S' in USSR stood for socialist. I pointed out that the D in DPRK stood for democratic. I figured you would catch on to the concept that what someone puts in their name did not make it a reality. The USSR was no more a socialist country than the DPRK is a democratic one.

I was not aware that the CATO was the end all be all of knowledge. I make a mental note of that for future reference. That is good to know though. Now I do not need to read any of your posts. I can go directly to the CATO web site and know that any thing they say is right and that you agree with everything they say, right?
 
Is it? The USSR collapsed under the weight of its own debt. Debt is one of the reasons they left Afghanistan. See any similarities?

The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with an unworkable economic system ruled by fear populated by dozens of different ethinic groups that all hated each other. Now how is that similiar to us?
 
The USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship with an unworkable economic system ruled by fear populated by dozens of different ethinic groups that all hated each other. Now how is that similiar to us?

1. Excess Government limits Freedom and Liberty. "When the people fear Government there is Tyranny, When the Government fears the people there is Liberty" - Thomas Jefferson. Do you think our government fears us?

2. We are in debt up to our eyeballs which is making our economic system unworkable. 9+ percent unemployment, $3.50 + per glaaon gas, wage and growth stagnation, large unaffordable military.

3. We have numerous racial groups that hate each other, Hmong, Somali, blacks, Hispanics, Asian gangs etc. Now these hatreds haven't turned violent yet.

4. Patriot Act, RICO, FISA Court, TSA, Warrentless Searches, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the BATF gun running scandal and on the list goes.

How am I doing for starters
 
1. Excess Government limits Freedom and Liberty. "When the people fear Government there is Tyranny, When the Government fears the people there is Liberty" - Thomas Jefferson. Do you think our government fears us?

2. We are in debt up to our eyeballs which is making our economic system unworkable. 9+ percent unemployment, $3.50 + per glaaon gas, wage and growth stagnation, large unaffordable military.

3. We have numerous racial groups that hate each other, Hmong, Somali, blacks, Hispanics, Asian gangs etc. Now these hatreds haven't turned violent yet.

4. Patriot Act, RICO, FISA Court, TSA, Warrentless Searches, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the BATF gun running scandal and on the list goes.

How am I doing for starters

Well for starters you comments show an incredible ingnorance of history. To compare the Patriot Act, TSA, Waco etc, etc to the things that happened in the former USSR tells me just that.

You talk about fear? Do you worry about the US government coming to your house in the middle of the night and then totruring you into signing a "confession"? Then when they are done with you they either put a bullet into the back of your head or send you to the coldest place on earth to slowly die. My guess is no. By the way, they are still digging up mass graves of the 20-30 million people murdered by the Soviet government to this day. Come across any here in the USA?

The prejudices you see in this country are rather tame compared to what goes on over there. When was the last time two different ethnic groups in the US went at it with tanks, artillery, fighter-bombers, helicopter gunships etc? Those prejudices that popel bring over here usually don't stand the test of time. Why, my guess is intermarriage and the kids becoming Americanized.
 
Well for starters you comments show an incredible ingnorance of history. To compare the Patriot Act, TSA, Waco etc, etc to the things that happened in the former USSR tells me just that.

You talk about fear? Do you worry about the US government coming to your house in the middle of the night and then totruring you into signing a "confession"Ask Randy & Vicki Weaver? Oh that's right Vicki was murdered by FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchis Then when they are done with you they either put a bullet into the back of your head or send you to the coldest place on earth to slowly die. My guess is no. By the way, they are still digging up mass graves of the 20-30 million people murdered by the Soviet government to this day. Come across any here in the USA?

The prejudices you see in this country are rather tame compared to what goes on over there. Can't speak to this as I wasn't ever in the USSR When was the last time two different ethnic groups in the US went at it with tanks, artillery, fighter-bombers, helicopter gunships etc? Those prejudices that popel bring over here usually don't stand the test of time. Why, my guess is intermarriage and the kids becoming Americanized.

Some posts back I stated that we were headed in the direction of the USSR and everything I've posted point this out. I used the analogy of driving on Interstate 80 which begins in New York City and end in California. If I travel west bound from New York I'll eventually end up in California. So if we look at 1-80 in NYC as the USA in say 1811 and CA as the USSR in the year of its demise. We have definitely began our journey west bound. The open question remains is are we in PA or NV? That' I think depends upon how dear you hold the founding fathers and their brilliant work to your heart.
 
As you keeping turning right my guess is you are some where in Canada, soon to drive into the Atlantic Ocean.
 
Some posts back I stated that we were headed in the direction of the USSR and everything I've posted point this out. I used the analogy of driving on Interstate 80 which begins in New York City and end in California. If I travel west bound from New York I'll eventually end up in California. So if we look at 1-80 in NYC as the USA in say 1811 and CA as the USSR in the year of its demise. We have definitely began our journey west bound. The open question remains is are we in PA or NV? That' I think depends upon how dear you hold the founding fathers and their brilliant work to your heart.

Your actually comparing the actions of one FBI sniper, who was charged with manslaughter, to the murder of 20-30 million people? That has got to be one the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

If you can't speak of the USSR then try reading a history book or a newspaper. Or in my case have a grandparent who was from that part of the world.
 
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