What am I missing?

[Garfield1966]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03...ex-slaves_N.htm

First, what the heck is the US Congress doing wasting it's time passing a resolution having to do with the soverigen affairs of Japan?

Second, did I miss the part where the US makes an official appology for slavery, segerigation, not allowing women equal rights till 1920, the syphilis experiment in Tuskegee, just too name a few? The hypocracy is laughable were it not so pathetic.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-03...ex-slaves_N.htm

First, what the heck is the US Congress doing wasting it's time passing a resolution having to do with the soverigen affairs of Japan?

Second, did I miss the part where the US makes an official appology for slavery, segerigation, not allowing women equal rights till 1920, the syphilis experiment in Tuskegee, just too name a few? The hypocracy is laughable were it not so pathetic.

Yes, it is funny that our Congress is doing that. I am embarrased because one of the congressman supporting the resolution is from my state. (Suppose he couldn't find anything else to do to make a name for himself).

As for the US apologizing for slavery... that was a 'states rights' issue. Thus, I believe it is up to the states' individually to decide whether to apologize for slavery. It would be nice if more states would follow Virginia's lead.

See Virginia apology.

 

[Garfield1966]

I seem to recall a section in the US const or the Dec of In that placed a value on blacks to be far less than that of the white property owners of the time.

The Constitution has often been called a living tribute to the art of compromise. In the slavery question, this can be seen most clearly. The Convention had representatives from every corner of the United States, including, of course, the South, where slavery was most pronounced. Slavery, in fact, was the backbone of the primary industry of the South, and it was accepted as a given that agriculture in the South without slave labor was not possible. Though slaves were not cheap by any measure, they were cheaper than hiring someone to do the same work. The cultivation of rice, cotton, and tobacco required slaves to work the fields from dawn to dusk. If the nation did not guarantee the continuation of slavery to the South, it was questioned whether they would form their own nation.


Full article here
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_slav.html

Then there is the issue of the 13th and 14th and 15th amendments. I believe that this trumps the statement that they were state issues.

I do agree that more states should follow the lead of Virgina since the Federal Government is not willing to do what in my opinion would be the right thing.

 

[UAL_TECH]

BLACK SLAVEOWNERS 😛

DOH!
B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

BLACK SLAVEOWNERS 😛

DOH!
B) UT

So that makes it ok for everyone else to own another human being?

 

[UAL_TECH]

So that makes it ok for everyone else to own another human being?

Don’t be an A$$ all your life Garf. 😛

You address the hypocrisy of the US in an attempt to justify the use of comfort women by Japan.
The Japanese in WWII were brutal to everyone (except Clint Eastwood). 😛
Does our hypocrisy justify the brutality of everyone else and everything in the world because of what happened 100 years ago? If so, check to see if you have some Roman blood in you because at one time your ‘heritage’ owned slaves (possibly my ancestors) so now I want you to pony up some hard cash for my injustice.

What is ‘your’ time period for repentance?

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

Don’t be an A$$ all your life Garf. 😛

You address the hypocrisy of the US in an attempt to justify the use of comfort women by Japan.
The Japanese in WWII were brutal to everyone (except Clint Eastwood). 😛
Does our hypocrisy justify the brutality of everyone else and everything in the world because of what happened 100 years ago? If so, check to see if you have some Roman blood in you because at one time your ‘heritage’ owned slaves (possibly my ancestors) so now I want you to pony up some hard cash for my injustice.

What is ‘your’ time period for repentance?

B) UT

Where on earth do you come up with this crap? I never tried in any way shape or form to justify the subjugation or brutality of anyone.

The hypocrisy I was pointing out was the US congress’s efforts to pass a non-binding resolution against sovereign nation in an effort to get them to apologize for previous actions taken on behalf of the nation. If Japan wants to apologize, I am sure they can do so with out our prodding. I for one, try and keep mind of their history when making purchases. To my knowledge, Germany is the only nation who has apologized and is paying reparations to some of their victims.

Where do we get off trying to compel another nation to apologize for anything when we our selves have not seen fit to do the same. That is like Jimmy Hoffa telling Charles Manson that he really needs to mellow out.

BTW, adding insults to your posts do not make your arguments any more valid. Whether or not you agree with my POV is of no concern to me, but at least make an attempt to argue on an adult level.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Then there is the issue of the 13th and 14th and 15th amendments. I believe that this trumps the statement that they were state issues.

Did you notice when the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments were proposed? It was after the emancipation... signaling that before such amendments were introduced, the power regarding slavery resided in the individual States. Take a look at the 10th amendment (existing during our slavery period): The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Thus, I still think that Virginia has it right... it should be the states doing the apologizing.

 

[local 12 proud]

Where on earth do you come up with this crap? I never tried in any way shape or form to justify the subjugation or brutality of anyone.

The hypocrisy I was pointing out was the US congress’s efforts to pass a non-binding resolution against sovereign nation in an effort to get them to apologize for previous actions taken on behalf of the nation. If Japan wants to apologize, I am sure they can do so with out our prodding. I for one, try and keep mind of their history when making purchases. To my knowledge, Germany is the only nation who has apologized and is paying reparations to some of their victims.

Where do we get off trying to compel another nation to apologize for anything when we our selves have not seen fit to do the same. That is like Jimmy Hoffa telling Charles Manson that he really needs to mellow out.

BTW, adding insults to your posts do not make your arguments any more valid. Whether or not you agree with my POV is of no concern to me, but at least make an attempt to argue on an adult level.

Gar if you have such a guilty conscience for those injustices that were committed in a bygone era then why don't you put your money where your mouth is?

How much do you donate to black organizations (NAACP) or http://nationalblackreparationsalliance.blogspot.com/
c'mon get out your wallet, head down to your local ghetto and do your part.

unlike your HERO Al Gore why not 'walk the walk, while you talk the talk'? :huh:

 

[delldude]

Since we're all in the mood for applogizing......where's Big Nance?

In Virginia, black voter turnout was suppressed with a poll tax and literacy tests before those practices were struck down by federal courts, and state leaders responded to federally ordered school desegregation with a "Massive Resistance" movement in the 1950s and early 1960s. Some communities created exclusive whites-only schools.

Of the poll taxes in English history, the most famous was the one levied in 1380, a main cause of the peasant's revolt of 1381 led by Wat Tyler. In the United States, most discussion of the poll tax centred on its use as a voting prerequisite in the Southern states. The origin of the tax is associated with the agrarian unrest of the 1880s and 1890s, which culminated in the rise of the Populist Party in the West and the South. The Populists, a low-income farmers' party, gave the Democrats in these areas the only serious competition that they had experienced since the end of Reconstruction. The intensity of competition led both parties to bring blacks back into politics and to compete for their vote. Once the Populists had been defeated, the Democrats amended their state constitutions or drafted new ones to include various disfranchising devices. When payment of the poll tax was made a prerequisite to voting, impoverished blacks and often poor whites, unable to afford the tax, were denied the right to vote.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Where on earth do you come up with this crap? I never tried in any way shape or form to justify the subjugation or brutality of anyone.

The hypocrisy I was pointing out was the US congress’s efforts to pass a non-binding resolution against sovereign nation in an effort to get them to apologize for previous actions taken on behalf of the nation. If Japan wants to apologize, I am sure they can do so with out our prodding. I for one, try and keep mind of their history when making purchases. To my knowledge, Germany is the only nation who has apologized and is paying reparations to some of their victims.

Where do we get off trying to compel another nation to apologize for anything when we our selves have not seen fit to do the same. That is like Jimmy Hoffa telling Charles Manson that he really needs to mellow out.

BTW, adding insults to your posts do not make your arguments any more valid. Whether or not you agree with my POV is of no concern to me, but at least make an attempt to argue on an adult level.

But that is your methodology 'TRANSFERENCE'. You take a point of the Japanese refusing to acknowledge their brutality in WWII. Their murder, abduction, sexual enslavement and rape of Asian women and attempt to use it as a parallelism to the US history of slavery. I find your initial posting of this parallelism offensive to the Asian women that were subjugated to this barbarism. You claim hypocrisy for everyone ‘else’ but yourself and continue to throw additional unrelated ‘examples’ of some ‘whacko’ proof of how the US is not ‘worthy’ to make judgment calls on other countries based on our ‘historical’ involvement in governing our own country.

I find your ‘POV’ quite disconcerting.

As far as my ‘insults’ are concerned, they are very direct, concise and do not contain underlying ‘smart a$$’ euphemisms.

You are still an a$$!

B) UT

 

[Garfield1966]

Again you missed the point. I do not care what the Japanese government acknowledges or not. That is an internal matter for Japan to decide.

The first point and the primary one is the question of why? What possible reason could the US Congress have for passing a non-binding resolution on a sovereign nation? Are you implying you would be OK with some other nation passing a resolution asking us to admit fault for one of our past transgressions? I know I would not be very receptive to that idea.

Secondly, I was under the impression that if I am to condemn someone of an action, that condemnation will carry substantially more credibility if I am not guilt of the same or similar crime for which I have neither accepted responsibility nor paid any penalty. It would be similar to Jimmy Hoffa condemning someone for committing a murder. I see a very close relation between the enslavement of blacks and the enslavement of women by Japan.

It is not only the american government who does not have the moral authority to condemn others. I cannot think of any government who has a clean enough back ground that would entitle them to pass judgment on others. A quote about glass houses and stones comes to mind.

And yes, I know I'm still an a$$.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Again you missed the point. I do not care what the Japanese government acknowledges or not. That is an internal matter for Japan to decide.

The first point and the primary one is the question of why? What possible reason could the US Congress have for passing a non-binding resolution on a sovereign nation? Are you implying you would be OK with some other nation passing a resolution asking us to admit fault for one of our past transgressions? I know I would not be very receptive to that idea.

Secondly, I was under the impression that if I am to condemn someone of an action, that condemnation will carry substantially more credibility if I am not guilt of the same or similar crime for which I have neither accepted responsibility nor paid any penalty. It would be similar to Jimmy Hoffa condemning someone for committing a murder. I see a very close relation between the enslavement of blacks and the enslavement of women by Japan.

It is not only the american government who does not have the moral authority to condemn others. I cannot think of any government who has a clean enough back ground that would entitle them to pass judgment on others. A quote about glass houses and stones comes to mind.

And yes, I know I'm still an a$$.

Thought we were discussing 'sovereign nations' and their right to commit any crimes they want without recompense or reprisal?

As for the rest of your deflective dribble, maybe you should have made these points in your initial post instead of trying to ‘bait’. :blink:


Good, we agree on one thing at least, you are an A$$!

B) UT

BTW, WTF does Hoffa have to do with this topic? :wacko:

 

[700IAM]

The hypocracy is laughable were it not so pathetic.

This entire topic is laughable and pathetic written from the lost point of view.

This kind of behavior is to be expected from the unsaved ungenerated and should not looked upon in shock but normal depraved behavior which we all are born with until we accept the light.

All have fallen short, every last living soul so why waste band width on something so irrelevant.

Saying you're sorry doesn't save your soul. But the enemy is in the mix accomplishing much as is evident with such authors as this extreme leftist progressive.

 

[Garfield1966]

Thought we were discussing 'sovereign nations' and their right to commit any crimes they want without recompense or reprisal?

As for the rest of your deflective dribble, maybe you should have made these points in your initial post instead of trying to ‘bait’. :blink:
Good, we agree on one thing at least, you are an A$$!

B) UT

BTW, WTF does Hoffa have to do with this topic? :wacko:

No sure how you got that out of my original statement. If you were unclear on what I was saying perhaps next time you can ask for a clarification.

I have always believed people/nation states should be held accountable for their actions. I do not believe that one nation has the right, much less the moral authority to tell another how to conduct its internal affairs. I cannot think of any nations off the top of my head whose hands are clean.

As for Hoffa, it is an analogy. Hoffa was a murder and for him to condemn someone else for murder would be hypocritical just as I feel it is hypocritical of the US, given our past use of slaves to be condemning Japan for its use of sex slaves. Neither action is supportable and neither nation has the moral authority to condemn the other. Both actions are equally appalling and an affront to humanity.