Who Paid The Loan?

[Johnny Lunchbox]

Who repaid the loan from AMFA to the AA organizers? And why does it show repayment by future dues? Did the hobbit just decide to waive the expense and forgive the loan? FUTURE DUES?

Yes I know this is an old LM2 and the new one shows no loan, my question is who repaid the $$$?

 

[Decision 2004]

I will answer that question one more time, if you promise to hear the answer and stop asking the same old trash over and over again. Otherwise we are just spending useless time and getting nowhere.

 

[Johnny Lunchbox]

I believe all you ever stated was that there was no debt owed currently, and with that answer I give you no credibility. You eat with hobbits! ergo.....

 

[Decision 2004]

I believe all you ever stated was that there was no debt owed currently, and with that answer I give you no credibility. You eat with hobbits! ergo.....

OK fine,

Let someone you trust answer your question.

 

[Johnny Lunchbox]

Fact is I didn't ask for your comments directlly, I'm sure there is more than one privy to this information, or is there? Can you say " deception "?

 

[DECISION 2007]

Hey JL, we do NOT currently owe AMFA a dime!

 

[Decision 2004]

Whatever!

 

[Bob Owens]

Who repaid the loan from AMFA to the AA organizers? And why does it show repayment by future dues? Did the hobbit just decide to waive the expense and forgive the loan? FUTURE DUES?

Yes I know this is an old LM2 and the new one shows no loan, my question is who repaid the $$$?

Who cares?

Now how about if we go to the TWUs LM-2? Now thats a little more interesting since that is OUR money!

Who paid the $345,000 for cars for the International?

WE DID!

Who paid the $2 million in an attempt to organize Delta? A foolish attempt to organize a non union airline where the employees get better pay and benifits than we do?

WE DID!

Who paid out $3 million a year and got $660 million extra added on to their bottom line?

Not US?

Who did not get the three million but instead gave the $660 million?

WE DID!

Who got the extra $3 million thats not reflected on the LM-2?

THE TWU DID!

 

[j7915]

Whatever!

So please answer, who and when will the loan be repaid? In the LM2 it says future dues, under security. As to payment method when will they let the cat out of the bag?

 

[Bob Owens]

So please answer, who and when will the loan be repaid? In the LM2 it says future dues, under security. As to payment method when will they let the cat out of the bag?

Even if it does have to be paid back through future dues as you claim, who cares? It comes out to $19 per member. Thats less than the $20 per member that the TWU spent trying to organize Delta and half of what many associate members voluntarily contibute yearly to AMFA.


Speaking about cat out if the bag, care to comment on the three million that the TWU accepts from AA? One of the few things that was on the "Vermont Plan" that the union did not give back?

How many people, other than companies where the TWU "represents" workers, make voluntary contributions to the TWU?

If dues were not mandatory how many do you think would pay dues to the TWU now?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Even if it does have to be paid back through future dues as you claim, who cares? It comes out to $19 per member. Thats less than the $20 per member that the TWU spent trying to organize Delta and half of what many associate members voluntarily contibute yearly to AMFA.


Speaking about cat out if the bag, care to comment on the three million that the TWU accepts from AA? One of the few things that was on the "Vermont Plan" that the union did not give back?

How many people, other than companies where the TWU "represents" workers, make voluntary contributions to the TWU?

If dues were not mandatory how many do you think would pay dues to the TWU now?

How much did you say? I will not pay the sweat off of my (B@ll$) to an ASSOCIATION that requires me to sell my seniority rights.....................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[Johnny Lunchbox]

Hold the phone just a minute....it doesn't matter because why? Dude, pass that pipe to the left and give me two hits....*stby*...OK...."eeeergo"...."Jim, the Klingons are circling Uranus, stiffen your stance Jim!"

AMFA= democracy? At what point did the membership of AA vote to support Don Rogers and friends? Future dues? Now that's what I call starting out right!

 

[j7915]

Even if it does have to be paid back through future dues as you claim, who cares? It comes out to $19 per member. Thats less than the $20 per member that the TWU spent trying to organize Delta and half of what many associate members voluntarily contibute yearly to AMFA.


Speaking about cat out if the bag, care to comment on the three million that the TWU accepts from AA? One of the few things that was on the "Vermont Plan" that the union did not give back?

How many people, other than companies where the TWU "represents" workers, make voluntary contributions to the TWU?

If dues were not mandatory how many do you think would pay dues to the TWU now?

Bob, may I buy myself a new PC and use your name and credit? No one asked me if I wanted to spend $19 , .19 cents or 2cents on an AMFA drive.

The $3million for cars, weren't you an officer of the TWU at the time? Did you raise your voice, or maybe resign in protest or whatever?

As to the organizing drive at Delta, was there a plan to charge the potential new members from Delta to reimburse the TWU?

How many people make voluntary contributions to AMFA? It seems that6 it is mainly organizers, who I am sure are counting on being given atheir reward for having funded the AMFA drive. I would be very disappointed if Dave, Buck, you and the other true believers were not appointed to the transition team. I just hope it does not happen. At NWA the origional pied pipers can't seem to find their way back to their tool box after being voted out.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, may I buy myself a new PC and use your name and credit?

No, but the TWU can go and buy you one with my dues.

No one asked me if I wanted to spend $19 , .19 cents or 2cents on an AMFA drive.

Did anyone ask you if you wanted to spend $2 million trying to organize Delta? Did they ask you if you wanted to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars decorating the Internationals new offices? Did anyone ask you if you wanted to spend $345,000 last year on cars?


The $3million for cars, weren't you an officer of the TWU at the time? Did you raise your voice, or maybe resign in protest or whatever?

$3 million in cars? Do you mean salaries? I was aware that Presidents were getting paid by the company, but Presidents are ultimately accountable to the members. I was not aware of International officers getting paid, and they are not accountable, there is a big difference. Shortly after coming into office I asked about the legality of paying the Presidents, I was told by Bobby Gless that Luby said it was legal. Since then I have come to suspect what they tell or told me.

As to the organizing drive at Delta, was there a plan to charge the potential new members from Delta to reimburse the TWU?

I dont know. Who should pay for it, us? I do know that the International only gave us loans to start up the new Locals.

How many people make voluntary contributions to AMFA? It seems that it is mainly organizers, who I am sure are counting on being given atheir reward for having funded the AMFA drive.

Ask Delle how many Associate members AMFA has. I'll bet its a lot more than the TWU has. And how many TWU "true believers" would give any of their own time or money towards the TWU? I often heard officers complain about membership participation at meetings however they were paid for being there, the members werent.

I would be very disappointed if Dave, Buck, you and the other true believers were not appointed to the transition team. I just hope it does not happen. At NWA the origional pied pipers can't seem to find their way back to their tool box after being voted out.

Actually it hasnt come up. As far as returning to their tool boxes, I never left, even when I was in office, so when they removed me it just meant that I had less work to do. It has actually been a relief and I have more free time.

 

[DECISION 2007]

Bob, you're not really that good at mixing apples and oranges. Point being the union membership at AA had NO voice in securing money from AMFA to represent AMFA organizers at AA. This was $$$ borrowed for litigation, by the organizers, for THEIR own progress in undermining my union. How sweet and how UNDEMOCRATIC, yet you and yours always declare AMFA is so democratic, I guess that only counts in certain times and issues.

You speak of the TWU and cars and such, was there at any time paperwork to support repayment through future dues by a certain local for these? Nice attempt at AMFAnomics. Why would those or should those that do not want AMFA be liable for one red cent? Try collecting the total from your AMFA supporters and leave my wallet alone.