why Herb's crew is different.....

[Fly]

I chose the non refundable SW ticket since we are talking about people who want the cheapest tickets available. So we are still talking apples to apples. Obviously you prefer SW and that's fine. As you have noticed I haven't said ONE BAD THING about SW. I'm just pointing out that this is a flame thread with no purpose except to show the posters anti-UAL bias.

 

[KCFlyer]

I chose the non refundable SW ticket since we are talking about people who want the cheapest tickets available. So we are still talking apples to apples. Obviously you prefer SW and that's fine. As you have noticed I haven't said ONE BAD THING about SW. I'm just pointing out that this is a flame thread with no purpose except to show the posters anti-UAL bias.

Not quite apples to apples. Check the restrictions on that restricted SWA ticket...What are the change fees in comparison to SWA?

 

[Fly]

AGAIN.......the point of this thread is that United is gouging now that FlyI left IAD which I have PROVED is total fabrication. Actually this thread has NOTHING to do with LUV and doesn't even belong on this board. I am very happy you enjoy flying SW, keep it up. I'll continue to enjoy flying for United.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Fly, not making this up -- same day's WSJ also had article about new uannounced beverage policies -- and there are zillions of copies of that newspaper floating around.

I'm not anti-UA. I want them to live. I also want them to change their old-style way of doing business. Including crude references.

Certainly this thread belongs on the WN board. Let's get back on topic instead of micro-analyzing and getting all paranoid.

How 'bout another un-WN behavior example -- when are they going to acknowledge and do something about the market beyond our domestic borders?

 

[Fly]

Care to find that fare for us? Care to post the day and flight number so we can compare them? Good luck.

So WSJ wrote an article so it must be true. :down: Geez, we all know how truthful and honorable the media are when they have an agenda. Just ask the miner's families.

How does this belong on a WN board when the thread is about United gouging now that FlyI has left.

If they're gouging, wouldn't it be easy to find examples?

 

[Ch. 12]

Care to find that fare for us? Care to post the day and flight number so we can compare them? Good luck.

So WSJ wrote an article so it must be true. :down: Geez, we all know how truthful and honorable the media are when they have an agenda. Just ask the miner's families.

How does this belong on a WN board when the thread is about United gouging now that FlyI has left.

If they're gouging, wouldn't it be easy to find examples?

It's easy to find examples b/c Indy never removed their published fares. Indy's cheapest walkup fare from IAD to BDL was $138 RT. They also had a $158, $258, $338, and $398 before you get to the lowest legacy's walkup fare at $518 RT. That's not just UA...it is DL, CO, AA, and US. I think that $158 was another grossly incompetent Indy strategy and was too low. But I do think that a 275% increase is drastic. But this is how the aformentioned legacies operate. UA is not any worst than the rest (though I guess I might pick AA if we wanted to choose an airline that inflates prices the most once their competition goes out of business). But yes...there is definitely a huge difference. And IIRC, wasn't the WSJ talking about walkup fares? From what I see...the lowest in IAD-DTW is currently $288 while DH was $178. I think the WSJ picked a busy day where $288 was not avail so that isn't fair but there is a definite jump.

All of this being said and given DH's impeccable success at pricing WELL below cost, I would hope that there is some sort of decent increase.

 

[BillLumbergh]

Moving this thread....

 

[Borescope]

Bottom line is that the consumers on this board want to fly RT coast to coast for $199. Employees of the airlines (not all) on this board have taken huge cuts in pay and bene's. Costs for items outside the airlines control, i.e. fuel have risen to the point where the $199 ticket doesn't get the airline anything except some warm body that fills a seat. This is one of the only industries that passes it's increased costs on to the employee and not the consumer. If the LLC's had the vast networks and support structure of the Legacy's, then they too would be losing money even with their fuel hedges in place. Flying around in a FLUFF with only that airplance to stock parts, crews, maintaince personel, etc. also gives then a huge cost advantage. So, if you want to pay the same for a ticket and never want to leave the US, FLY the FLUFF.

 

[KCFlyer]

Bottom line is that the consumers on this board want to fly RT coast to coast for $199. Employees of the airlines (not all) on this board have taken huge cuts in pay and bene's. Costs for items outside the airlines control, i.e. fuel have risen to the point where the $199 ticket doesn't get the airline anything except some warm body that fills a seat. This is one of the only industries that passes it's increased costs on to the employee and not the consumer. If the LLC's had the vast networks and support structure of the Legacy's, then they too would be losing money even with their fuel hedges in place. Flying around in a FLUFF with only that airplance to stock parts, crews, maintaince personel, etc. also gives then a huge cost advantage. So, if you want to pay the same for a ticket and never want to leave the US, FLY the FLUFF.

Borescope...hence my question...why such pride in undercutting Southwest pricing? No matching....beating? I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to take pay cuts to compete with a LCC, then watched as my mangagment kept pricing BELOW the LCC levels.

 

[Borescope]

I agree with you. But we're not comparing apples to apples, it's apples to oranges. If you want to buy a car for "basic" transportation do you go to Mercedes dealer or the Hyundai Dealer? Same with the airlines, if you want ot go to LHR to you call an LLC or a Legacy carrier. All I was saying is that these are to vastly different animals and the costs associated with each are vastly different also. The legacy carriers will never be able to match the cost per seat mile. But, they are trying (from the employees hides). If the Legacy airlines got rid of all the international flying they did and let the foriegn airline run into this country exclusively for that purpose, then you would be able to compare the airlines as equal and rank them from top to bottom. Until that happens (don't hold you breath) it's a mute point.

 

[USAir757]

Just booked my flights for PBI-ATL-HNL-SLC-PBI. First class, DL heavies the whole way (except the last leg). I even got to chose my seats! NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL "UN-WN" BEHAVIOR!

(sorry, but it is on topic)

 

[ngneer]

Back to the original topic. This is an article in USA TODAY that does a fare comparison in some markets before and after FlyI went belly up. The upshot is that in some markets, fares went up but in many markets they didn't change much. The biggest change in fares appears to be, not surprisingly, in last minute fares. Before you say "but nobody pays these fares," well, I do. When I have to go on business trips my plans typically keep changing up to the last day or two. Occasionally, I have no advance warning at all before I have to go somewhere.

 

[Fly]

But AGAIN I find that for TODAY's flights (you do consider today last minute, right??? :blink: ) United AGAIN beats Southwest in price. So where is that price gouging the article was talking about? They used IAD/DTW and so did I. Today a r/t from Iad/Dtw returning on 1/24. $344.40 vs $356.20.

Keep it real folks. At least someone post some proof of all these inflated fares. And posting the highest possible rate when there is something offered like above doesn't count as gouging, that counts as stupidity on the buyers part.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Forget the IAD/DTW fare spat here already! Sheesh!

Again, the original focus of this thread is un-WN behavior.

How about the assigned seats vs. cattle-call seating?

How about legacy carriers int'l networks advantage vs. WN domestic-only?

How about cargo? (fyi, KE derives 40% of the total airline revenue from these unsexy boxes!)

etc etc etc

 

[Ch. 12]

But AGAIN I find that for TODAY's flights (you do consider today last minute, right??? :blink: ) United AGAIN beats Southwest in price. So where is that price gouging the article was talking about? They used IAD/DTW and so did I. Today a r/t from Iad/Dtw returning on 1/24. $344.40 vs $356.20.

Just out of curiousity...how in the world did you price a WN fare from IAD-DTW? They do have some codeshare flights out of DCA but no options to fly to DTW on them.