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end_of_alpa said:
There will likely soon be some type of "Labor Insurance" available to cover the expenses of which you speak. I wonder if it will be cheaper than union dues? AOPA sells something similar to its members to assist with legal fees when the FAA comes knocking (I have always purchased that option....$99/year for ATP coverage...since I never fully trusted ALPA, USAPA, or APA to do that job for me correctly.) Perhaps CAPA will morph into such an organization offering individuals a cafeteria-style coverage for such matters.
I think the Supreme Court is about to kill labor unions in this country, and the middle class which is already dwindling will go down the crapper post-haste. Only then will the smug "right-to-work" idiots realize what the unions have done for them over the decades even though they might have never belonged to a union. No paid vacation; no overtime pay; no sick leave; 60+ hour mandatory work weeks. Everything for which the unions fought for their members will go by the wayside.
Justice Ginsberg, during the Voting Rights Act decision, made a statement in her scathing dissent which may well apply again in this case. I think that doing away with labor unions is (as Justice Ginsberg said in that other
circumstance) "like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you are not getting wet,"
Exactly!
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Today's word(s) are: STALKING HORSE
stalk·ing horse
noun
noun: stalking horse; plural noun: stalking horses
Origin: early 16th century: from the former practice of using a horse trained to allow a fowler to hide behind it, or under its coverings, until within easy range of prey.
Here's that term used in a sentence:
[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Have a wonderful evening. We'll see you for tomorrow's lesson. BIG SMILES!!
[/SIZE]
stalk·ing horse
noun
noun: stalking horse; plural noun: stalking horses
a screen traditionally made in the shape of a horse behind which a hunter can stay concealed when stalking prey.
a false pretext concealing someone's real intentions.
a political candidate who runs only in order to provoke the election and thus allow a stronger candidate to come forward.
Origin: early 16th century: from the former practice of using a horse trained to allow a fowler to hide behind it, or under its coverings, until within easy range of prey.
Here's that term used in a sentence:
[SIZE=12pt]“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Have a wonderful evening. We'll see you for tomorrow's lesson. BIG SMILES!!
[/SIZE]I have that as well. The Supreme Court didn't "kill" labor un"I"ons. People like pilots did that to themselves. No SOP's, no standards.....its every pilot for themselves. In that "narrow" view of Ginsburg I understand. However, I would say that in our present circumstances with the APA/West I would analogize that "don't piss on my head and tell me its raining". No umbrella can stop that.nycbusdriver said:
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.cactusboy53 said:Today's word(s) are: STALKING HORSE
stalk·ing horse
noun
noun: stalking horse; plural noun: stalking horses
a screen traditionally made in the shape of a horse behind which a hunter can stay concealed when stalking prey.
a false pretext concealing someone's real intentions.
a political candidate who runs only in order to provoke the election and thus allow a stronger candidate to come forward.
[/*]
Origin: early 16th century: from the former practice of using a horse trained to allow a fowler to hide behind it, or under its coverings, until within easy range of prey.
Here's that term used in a sentence:
“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation."
Have a wonderful evening. We'll see you for tomorrow's lesson. BIG SMILES!!
Big smiles our little flounder....... No nic
cactusboy53
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Hey Kids! Just finished dinner and had time for one last new word!
ABROGATE
ab·ro·gate
ˈabrəˌɡāt/
verb
formal
verb: abrogate; 3rd person present: abrogates; past tense: abrogated; past participle: abrogated; gerund or present participle: abrogating
repeal or do away with (a law, right, or formal agreement).
"a proposal to abrogate temporarily the right to strike"
synonyms:
repeal, revoke, rescind, repudiate, overturn, annul; More
disallow, cancel, invalidate, nullify, void, negate, dissolve, countermand, declare null and void, discontinue;
reverse, retract, remove, withdraw, abolish, put an end to, do away with, get rid of, end, stop, quash, scrap;
disaffirm
"the time has come to formally abrogate this outdated agreement"
antonyms:
institute, introduce
Here it is used in a sentence:
[SIZE=12pt]From “A Conversation with an Attorney” - between Bradford & Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm (Chris Katzenbach point): “Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This in response to Bradford saying the following: “I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award…”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Isn't this fun kids? We are REALLY learning some very valuable LIFE LESSONS each day. See you kids tomorrow![/SIZE] Have a great night! BIG SMILES!!
ABROGATE
ab·ro·gate
ˈabrəˌɡāt/
verb
formal
verb: abrogate; 3rd person present: abrogates; past tense: abrogated; past participle: abrogated; gerund or present participle: abrogating
repeal or do away with (a law, right, or formal agreement).
"a proposal to abrogate temporarily the right to strike"
synonyms:
repeal, revoke, rescind, repudiate, overturn, annul; More
disallow, cancel, invalidate, nullify, void, negate, dissolve, countermand, declare null and void, discontinue;
reverse, retract, remove, withdraw, abolish, put an end to, do away with, get rid of, end, stop, quash, scrap;
disaffirm
"the time has come to formally abrogate this outdated agreement"
antonyms:
institute, introduce
Here it is used in a sentence:
[SIZE=12pt]From “A Conversation with an Attorney” - between Bradford & Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm (Chris Katzenbach point): “Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.” [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]This in response to Bradford saying the following: “I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award…”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Isn't this fun kids? We are REALLY learning some very valuable LIFE LESSONS each day. See you kids tomorrow![/SIZE] Have a great night! BIG SMILES!!
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ALPA has been selling fear insurance as long as I know... And they got pretty good at it. Capitalism is when others are free to sell positive value to compete against fear mongers.nycbusdriver said:
Just imagine if pilots and flight attendants, desiring to be union leaders, proposed a binding non-compete clauses preventing them from making their collusion with management overt..
..some creative folks could offer their house as collateral, even a monster house with a huge mortgage in ORD...
The more "union leaders" have to compete and prove their value, the less value fear mongering would have in the face of creative campaigners. Capitalism would blow the doors open, and corruption would become more creative too.
cactusboy53 said:Hey Kids! Just finished dinner and had time for one last new word!
ABROGATE
ab·ro·gate
ˈabrəˌɡāt/
verb
formal
verb: abrogate; 3rd person present: abrogates; past tense: abrogated; past participle: abrogated; gerund or present participle: abrogating
repeal or do away with (a law, right, or formal agreement).
"a proposal to abrogate temporarily the right to strike"
synonyms:
repeal, revoke, rescind, repudiate, overturn, annul; More
disallow, cancel, invalidate, nullify, void, negate, dissolve, countermand, declare null and void, discontinue;
reverse, retract, remove, withdraw, abolish, put an end to, do away with, get rid of, end, stop, quash, scrap;
disaffirm
"the time has come to formally abrogate this outdated agreement"
antonyms:
institute, introduce
Here it is used in a sentence:
From “A Conversation with an Attorney” - between Bradford & Chris Katzenbach of Katzenbach and Khitikan, a labor law firm (Chris Katzenbach point): “Don't give the other side a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.”
This in response to Bradford saying the following: “I next specifically asked him about the formation of a new bargaining agent as an avenue of advance to get around this award…”
Isn't this fun kids? We are REALLY learning some very valuable LIFE LESSONS each day. See you kids tomorrow! Have a great night! BIG SMILES!!
http://youtu.be/6l9sBUUwmUA
Phoenix said:
I think your ideas are a bit naive. You've certainly bought into the false promise of unfettered capitalism. Unless you're already in the top 1%, good luck with that. Unfettered, they will have it all....including yours!
Not sure what you mean by ALPA and "fear insurance." I suppose one could call any insurance "fear insurance." Isn't that all about hedging your bets? Why not give up your "fear" health insurance and wait until someone in your family gets really sick and sends the whole lot of you into abject poverty? Maybe by then the capitalism will be unfettered and there will be no government safety net. Enjoy starving, do you? Enjoy watching your loved ones starve? Think it can't happen here? Think again.
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The west committee was to have Jeff Freund put Brian Stockdale on the witness stand. Cannot find his testimony after Wilder addressed the arbs. Can you please hold the vocabulary exercise and enlighten us as to the missing Stockdale testimony?cactusboy53 said:Today's word(s) are: STALKING HORSE
stalk·ing horse
noun
noun: stalking horse; plural noun: stalking horses
a screen traditionally made in the shape of a horse behind which a hunter can stay concealed when stalking prey.
a false pretext concealing someone's real intentions.
a political candidate who runs only in order to provoke the election and thus allow a stronger candidate to come forward.
[/*]
Origin: early 16th century: from the former practice of using a horse trained to allow a fowler to hide behind it, or under its coverings, until within easy range of prey.
Here's that term used in a sentence:
“…USAPA has served as the stalking horse for the East Pilots’ exclusive interests and left the West Pilots bereft of representation."
Have a wonderful evening. We'll see you for tomorrow's lesson. BIG SMILES!!
January 6, 2016 3rd day
Q = Jeff Freund Attorney for the west
A = Rick Brown, witness for the East
Q. Sitting here today, do you have any basis
for concluding that the process that was employed,
the nature of the hearings, the presentation of
witnesses, the cross-examination of witnesses, the
introduction of exhibits, the briefing was done in
anything other than a procedurally fair manner when
the case was tried before Arbitrator Nicolau?
A. I don't have anything to believe one way
or the other. I do know that I'm here representing a
large number of people who do have that perception,
that there was something.
Q. Procedurally unfair about the process?
A. I can't say.
Q. Okay. Would you agree with the
proposition that, by definition, a fair and
equitable seniority list is a list that is produced
by a fair and equitable process, that is a fair and
equitable arbitration process?
MR. WILDER: Arbitrator Eischen, if I
could, I don't want to interrupt.
I'll just -- if I could have my objection,
which I stated previously, be considered standing as
to this line of questioning.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: Noted. And I'll
simply make an observation that I think I have made
before in this proceeding. And that is on matters of legal principle and -- on the larger issues of legal principles and weight to be accorded to various authorities, et
cetera, the Panel finds it more useful to have these
arguments presented by counsel, either by oral
argument or in a brief, rather than trying to
elicit -- attempts to elicit admissions against interests from individual witnesses.
MR. FREUND: I'm not going any further
beyond that question.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: Proceed.
Q = Jeff Freund Attorney for the west
A = Rick Brown, witness for the East
Q. Sitting here today, do you have any basis
for concluding that the process that was employed,
the nature of the hearings, the presentation of
witnesses, the cross-examination of witnesses, the
introduction of exhibits, the briefing was done in
anything other than a procedurally fair manner when
the case was tried before Arbitrator Nicolau?
A. I don't have anything to believe one way
or the other. I do know that I'm here representing a
large number of people who do have that perception,
that there was something.
Q. Procedurally unfair about the process?
A. I can't say.
Q. Okay. Would you agree with the
proposition that, by definition, a fair and
equitable seniority list is a list that is produced
by a fair and equitable process, that is a fair and
equitable arbitration process?
MR. WILDER: Arbitrator Eischen, if I
could, I don't want to interrupt.
I'll just -- if I could have my objection,
which I stated previously, be considered standing as
to this line of questioning.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: Noted. And I'll
simply make an observation that I think I have made
before in this proceeding. And that is on matters of legal principle and -- on the larger issues of legal principles and weight to be accorded to various authorities, et
cetera, the Panel finds it more useful to have these
arguments presented by counsel, either by oral
argument or in a brief, rather than trying to
elicit -- attempts to elicit admissions against interests from individual witnesses.
MR. FREUND: I'm not going any further
beyond that question.
ARBITRATOR EISCHEN: Proceed.
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