DL posts strong profit, maintains advantages

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DL’s GAAP net profit was $1.4 billion, probably one of the highest quarterly profits in the history of the US airline industry. DL beat Wall Street estimates on profit.
62% of DL’s revenue came from domestic flights where its RASM grew by almost 8% and its yield by almost 9%.
Pacific yields were pressured with RASM down 4%.
Atlantic and Latin RASM were both up on increased capacity.
DL’s net debt is now below $10B, the goal it set several years ago.
DL employees earned $249M in profit sharing for the quarter alone.

The following comparisons can be made to AMR, the only other network carrier to report.
DL paid 7 cents less per gallon for jet fuel on a consolidated basis than AMR. The refinery produced a small profit. UAL’s estimated fuel costs for the quarter are higher than what AMR reported.
DL has a 6% mainline CASM advantage and a 3% consolidated CASM advantage over AA.
DL has a 3% consolidated yield advantage over AA.

In pre-market trading on the NYSE, DL stock is clocking gains around 4%.
 
now that all of the large nationwide US carriers have reported plus AS, the strength of DL's financial performance relative to the industry becomes apparent. With the strongest revenue performance relative to the entire industry and the lowest costs to all other network carriers and within a few percent of WN, DL is in the position to execute its strategic objectives.
It also is no surprise that DL is focusing its competitive efforts on the west coast where it has the ability to establish its position in key AA and UA markets as has never been possible before based on financial performance.

AS continues to have a healthy cost advantage but noted that its revenue was pressured because of all of the increased capacity that was added in its key markets. They noted that 1/3 of alel of the domestic system capacity additions in the industry were in key AS markets.

The AS earnings conference call is full of questions from analysts about the AS-DL relationship, the effects of the relationship on AS, and how DL's actions are effecting AS.

A few highlights.

AS and DL have a long-term relationship that has minimum requirements for both sides. There is no contractual mechanism to end the relationship without financial risk to either side.

DL is AS' largest interline partner making about 4% of AS' revenue.

There is no desire on AS' part to pursue a merger.

AS' cost advantage will be harder to maintain as it slows it growth in part due to the necessity to improve its RASM performance.

AS will look at contractually permitted means to protect its own interests while also fulfilling its contractual requirements under the AS-DL agreement.

AS recognizes that there are other carriers making capacity adjustments in AS' core markets, including by VX. Other carriers' actions are helping reduce the impact to AS while others are hurting.

Here are some excerpts from the ALK earnings conference call. The entire transcript can be found at Seeking ALpha
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1770792-alaska-air-group-management-discusses-q3-2013-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single


This is Brad. I might chat about the Delta relationship for a bit. First of all, the new flights that Delta's putting in into some of our North-Southwest markets are markets that we will not be code sharing on. And a lot of folks have asked question about Delta and I guess one of the things that I want folks to know that we're trying to do here is take the emotion out of this process and make the best decisions that we possibly can. I would think that as we move forward, there are going to be places where it's going to be in our interest to work with Delta and we're going to support them, they're growing internationally by itself, that should be a good thing for both of us, and so we're going to work with them to grow the connections between the 2 airlines. And then there are places where they are growing in North-South markets that have been long-term core markets for Alaska Air Group. And in those markets, we will compete and we'll defend what we've built over the next years. But we got a long-standing relationship with these folks. We had a lot of competition North-South and the West Coast over the years. It will be a little complicated, but that's the world we're moving into and I think it's going to be okay.

We know that many of you are wondering about Delta's capacity additions in several of our markets, including Seattle-Los Angeles, Seattle-Las Vegas and Seattle-San Francisco. United has also added capacity to the Seattle-San Francisco market by adding frequency and up-gauging their service to mainline jets. There's really not a lot we can say about this, except that we're focused on the situation and we're confident in our ability to deal with it as we dealt with new competition in the past. Alliances can be complicated. It's likely that in the future, there will be markets where it's in our interest to work together with Delta and there will be markets where we will compete because it's in the best interest of Alaska Air Group to do so. We have a long-standing alliance with Delta, but many of their recent domestic additions are in core Air Group markets, and we intend to compete aggressively and defend them vigorously
 
swamt said:
CONGRATS to all Delta employees!!! Enjoy your profit sharing checks you deserve them...
I'd rather see more work done in house now that the company is rolling in the money. Just by my rough numbers from the letter Delta sent out it would mean a cost of about 50M spread out over the year. I think they can afford it. 
 
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but wait, your union-based peers contract out more overall maintenance work than DL does and even for AA which has been "better" than DL, they have just dismantled Alliance and there are a lot of very real concerns about the life left in TUL, esp. in the event of a merger.

Tell me how DL employees are worse off than their peers, please.
 
DL outsources all its heavy checks, compare checks to checks and not components.
 
And US doesnt have the capacity to absorb TUL at CLT or PIT if TUL is closed.
 
that's fine but you have thrown engine and component maintenance out the door in order to protect overhaul maintenance. By the industry accepted measurement of overhaul, DL outsources almost half of the total value of maintenance as US does even though DL is spending $500M a year in aircraft mods and cabin refurbs.

DL also does $500M in insourcing work which makes DL's "net outsourcing" level lower than AA's outsourcing level. There are hundreds if not thousands of DL employees who are paid to work on other carriers' aircraft.

And it is precisely the fear of AA people that cuts in AA's maintenance bases will result in lost jobs and more outsourcing. Doug Parker has been no friend of base maintenance.
 
And US has 351 active planes and DL has 715 active planes.

Compare apples to apples.
 
US does 50% or more of all checks and overhaul in-house, DL outsources 100% of overhauls.
 
and a percentage of total outsourcing indicates the same level of commitment to doing work in-house, changed only by scale.

The fact that you can't stand to see is that US outsources over half of the dollars it spends on maintenance.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/US%20Airways%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm

while DL even with spending 1/4 of its maintenance budget on overhauls and mods over the past several years, outsources 41%... the lowest figure for any large jet US airline and they do it without unions.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/Delta%20Airlines%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm

So much for the theory that it takes unions to retain jobs for one's own employees..
 
Spin spin spin, fact is US overhauls over 50% of its fleet, delta overhauls 0% of its fleet.
 
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the spin is that you chose to look at only a part of the maintenance operation in order to justify that the IAM got something of value when in reality US took the IAM and the mechanics that the IAM is supposed to represent to the cleaners.

Given that you post stuff saying that DL's profit sharing is down because the percentage is less even though there is abundant public evidence to show that DL employees will walk away with more profit sharing than any US airline has ever paid its employees is precisely why the IAM which you seem to be so ready to tout as a solution has had the door slammed in its face by DL employees who are far from being the low-information employees that you think they are so that you can pawn off half-truths as you do.

If you had something of value to offer, they would be running to you to get it... you can't even sell it despite all the hype you add to it.
 
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WorldTraveler said:
but wait, your union-based peers contract out more overall maintenance work than DL does and even for AA which has been "better" than DL, they have just dismantled Alliance and there are a lot of very real concerns about the life left in TUL, esp. in the event of a merger.

Tell me how DL employees are worse off than their peers, please.
.....good lord man. 
 
Why is that always your default. 
 
Delta does XXX
 
WT"OMG BUT AMERICAN DID THIS!!!" 
AA is in BK. 
Delta just made 1.3B in a frickin quarter.
 
 
and for the last gosh damn time. MRO review doesn't mean you get to lower the work Delta sends out. Sorry doesn't work that way.
 
 
oh and as i said in the other thread. Based on the people **** canned by NW and the people laid off by Delta (along with the resent influx of contractors) Delta would add somewhere in the ball park of 10,000 employees if they did all the work on the fleet in-house. (minus a few small things, IE the 16 T800 overhauls.) Mod work, overhauls, component work that use to be done in house (ie seats, landing gear for the north fleet. Avionics on the north fleet.) and the V2500 engine (I wont even bring up the BR715 engines).......not only would it bring in Delta people for Delta work, but it would also expand MRO opportunities(think of all the V2500 operators in the US) and give Delta the ability to offer lower cost to other airlines. (had Delta done 58 767-300ER winglets in house it would have likely lowered the cost for UPS or given Delta the ability to raise margins.) 
 
In this case TechOps should be having its cake and eating it too. 
 
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WorldTraveler said:
and a percentage of total outsourcing indicates the same level of commitment to doing work in-house, changed only by scale.

The fact that you can't stand to see is that US outsources over half of the dollars it spends on maintenance.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/US%20Airways%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm

while DL even with spending 1/4 of its maintenance budget on overhauls and mods over the past several years, outsources 41%... the lowest figure for any large jet US airline and they do it without unions.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2012%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/Delta%20Airlines%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm

So much for the theory that it takes unions to retain jobs for one's own employees..
Please tell me what airlines, other than Delta, are building an outsourcing hangar for its own work.......in Mexico?
 
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WorldTraveler said:
the spin is that you chose to look at only a part of the maintenance operation in order to justify that the IAM got something of value when in reality US took the IAM and the mechanics that the IAM is supposed to represent to the cleaners. Airframe overhauls = jobs. period. That should be the final stand for all M&R. 

Given that you post stuff saying that DL's profit sharing is down because the percentage is less even though there is abundant public evidence to show that DL employees will walk away with more profit sharing than any US airline has ever paid its employees is precisely why the IAM which you seem to be so ready to tout as a solution has had the door slammed in its face by DL employees who are far from being the low-information employees that you think they are so that you can pawn off half-truths as you do. may be, but two years ago the number would have been even higher than it is now. 

If you had something of value to offer, they would be running to you to get it... you can't even sell it despite all the hype you add to it.
 
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