E190's going bye bye?

[legacy-to-LCC]

any sense of how many furloughs would result in the sale of the 190 fleet? just using rudimentary mathematics, i suspect around 75 pilots and 250 flight attendants? i could be off; betty stole my calculator trying to calculate duty rigs.

 

[FlyOnWall]

How many pilots and F/As were furloughed when they sold the MA planes? The staffing for 25 E170s would be the same for 25 E190s, 2 + 2, correct?

 

[Elevation]

any sense of how many furloughs would result in the sale of the 190 fleet? just using rudimentary mathematics, i suspect around 75 pilots and 250 flight attendants? i could be off; betty stole my calculator trying to calculate duty rigs.

approx 260 pilots for 25 a/c, around the same for the stews i guess.

 

[FlightChic]

I have no idea but one f/a I spoke to today figured around 5 f/a's per 25 E190s which would be 125. I don't know for sure though. Whatever it is, it isn't good. I might as well be coming up with a plan B. Yikes!

 

[FWAAA]

Speaking just in terms of AFA

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The 190s don't constitute 20% or more of the value of US' assets, so this provision would not be triggered.

 

[USstew23]

The 190s don't constitute 20% or more of the value of US' assets, so this provision would not be triggered.

Being that the 190's are owned and barely anything else around here is anymore they just might be 20% of the assets, although I doubt it and even IF they were the professional liars in Tempe would play with the numbers just so they wouldn't be!

 

[bigbusboy]

Could this be the real reason DP "casually mentioned" the sale of the E190s?.....Are we burning furniture?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sp-may-do...cern-2009-07-27

 

[hp-csr-phx]

Doug mentioned during the town hall that the E190's are 2.5% of capacity.

 

[Poug Darker]

All employees should raise their concerns to management if these aircraft are sold to a north american carrier to be used as competition against LCC. This includes Republic, nee Midwest, nee Frontier.
Bon Jour.

 

[HPDriver]

All employees should raise their concerns to management if these aircraft are sold to a north american carrier to be used as competition against LCC. This includes Republic, nee Midwest, nee Frontier.
Bon Jour.

I'm sure Parker is going to weigh that very heavily in his decision.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA President's Message - July 28, 2009

Fellow Pilots,

We are aware that Management has recently made statements about the possible sale of the E190 fleet. They tell us that this action is not about liquidity, but that it is about their ability to reduce capacity in response to analysts’ concerns. This, of course, is a difference without distinction to those whose jobs are affected.

The Company has recently enjoyed record load factors and modest improvements in yield, both presently and looking forward; the economy may be signaling that it is at or beyond the bottom of the cycle; and President Kirby’s statements on the recent conference call were remarkably bullish. These are all issues that would argue against further capacity reduction in favor of profitability. These observations also mitigate the fear rumor discreetly perpetuated by certain management messengers regarding a bankruptcy filing this year. The trend change in US Airways’ quarterly earnings report further wears off the polish of any bankruptcy fear-mongering.

Could it be, without the previous “cause du jourâ€￾ (bankruptcy) to instill uncertainty among our pilots, that a new lever is needed? We just do not know. It is possible that the E190 fleet is for sale. We can say with certainty that the E190 fleet itself is not protected by the minimum aircraft provisions of LOA 96, the Transition Agreement. Other protective provisions will be evaluated if and when the specifics of any actual deal materialize.

USAPA will always encourage our management to grow the airline. We, of course, do not want them to park aircraft. But, we will not put our pilots into the untenable position of bargaining (read: paying) to keep their own jobs. We hear from many of our E190 pilots on the line that they will stand firm and would rather be furloughed than take another pay reduction. We fully support them. Management can figure out how many airframes and what types they want to fly. It is our responsibility to negotiate market rates and working conditions for our pilots. Although connected, those responsibilities do not overlap.

USAPA will not comment in further detail about ghost deals. We urge our pilots not to react to what could as easily be a fear tactic as something rooted in reality. Because of the timeliness, I have asked the Negotiating Advisory Committee to work in conjunction with the Grievance Committee to produce a review of our Scope protections that would operate under various scenarios. You can expect to see that review shortly.

We will maintain our close vigilance over all possible scenarios, strategically plan for them and work to keep ourselves in a position to affect a positive outcome for all US Airways pilots.

Fraternally,

Captain Mike Cleary
President

 

[Dog Wonder]

USAPA President's Message - July 28, 2009

Fellow Pilots,

It is possible that the E190 fleet is for sale. We can say with certainty that the E190 fleet itself is not protected by the minimum aircraft provisions of LOA 96, the Transition Agreement.

Fraternally,

Captain Mike Cleary
President

So the 190s are gone.

 

[HPDriver]

So the 190s are gone.

Also from Cleary's letter"

"We hear from many of our E190 pilots on the line that they will stand firm and would rather be furloughed than take another pay reduction. We fully support them. "

Good for you guys letting USAPA throw you under the bus.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Also from Cleary's letter"

"We hear from many of our E190 pilots on the line that they will stand firm and would rather be furloughed than take another pay reduction. We fully support them. "

Good for you guys letting USAPA throw you under the bus.

Just how is USAPA throwing anybody under the bus. If the 190 is not part of the minimum count just what can be done. You are so quick to slam USAPA what would you Westies do? We should take notes since you guys have always been an industry leader in contracts. Want to burn some fuel, KAOS,sick out? Lets hear what the Driver would do other than run her mouth.