Eurocopter Greases Palms
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CTD you are forgetting the boarding step made by Eagle / Dart in port Hawksbury and NAT make the audio panel for the EC130 :<). That is probably more Cdn content in french helcopter than French content in a Bell.
Mag interesting to read who the new rep for Agusta is . When do STARS get their new ( Pt6 Engined ) bird ( just to keep on Can con thread) .
Mag interesting to read who the new rep for Agusta is . When do STARS get their new ( Pt6 Engined ) bird ( just to keep on Can con thread) .
Widgeon,
I've been in some private meetings and discussions with upper management on some top secret goings on.
What we've decided for STARS, is that there seems to be a huge amount of support for three engines, so we are working on a PT6 triplepack. The c-box is turning out to be a nightmare to develope, but we're close. We talked to John Deere in Welland and they have an out of the box transmission for a tractor that was initially designed for a Bell, but they felt it was far to light, handled too much horsepower and was way to easy to maintain, so the Bell project was dropped.
We also wanted to keep Rolls Royce in the loop, just in case the pratts don't work out too well, and we've designed a 6 pack of C-47's. I know...it's alot of engines, and the fuel burn is a ####, but we needed the horsepower and 6 just about covered it.
I'll keep you posted if there is any other developements.
CTD...our subject spy isn't talking....round two of torture begins at sunrise. We'll break him soon.
I've been in some private meetings and discussions with upper management on some top secret goings on.
What we've decided for STARS, is that there seems to be a huge amount of support for three engines, so we are working on a PT6 triplepack. The c-box is turning out to be a nightmare to develope, but we're close. We talked to John Deere in Welland and they have an out of the box transmission for a tractor that was initially designed for a Bell, but they felt it was far to light, handled too much horsepower and was way to easy to maintain, so the Bell project was dropped.
We also wanted to keep Rolls Royce in the loop, just in case the pratts don't work out too well, and we've designed a 6 pack of C-47's. I know...it's alot of engines, and the fuel burn is a ####, but we needed the horsepower and 6 just about covered it.
I'll keep you posted if there is any other developements.
CTD...our subject spy isn't talking....round two of torture begins at sunrise. We'll break him soon.
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..I think MAG has fallen off his medications again...... B)
This really isn't too surprising, however the RCMP investigating "palm greasing" is a bit of a joke, how do you think that Eurocopter got into the RCMP fleet in the first place, there was actually a guy in Ontario fired over it. RH X RCMP figured the 407 deal was in the bag...so did Bell that's why they hired RH in the 1st place. You should find the deal that Eurocopter Canada gave the RCMP, so they should know what palm greasing is all about and not hard to investigate. I believe it is called "doing business", did not one of our own high powered politicans recently retired have some sort of "sliptivity" on his palms? Where's the vaseline anyways? :hide:
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Longdog...I'll pass your "scoop" onto RH. I'm sure he and his lawyer and the ability of the moderators enforcing the posting rules, IP addresses, etc. will have a hay day with you in civil court. You speak big my son, hope you kept good notes!!
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Ohhh, this is getting good!!!
Accusation??? Arguements! Thinly veiled threats!! This is better than when the missus makes me work on my sensitive side by making me sit and watch her soaps!!
Oh and for LongRanger a slightly brusied ego?? C'mon man! I know once a cop, always a cop. This is a free forum.
I stand to be corrected here, but I don't believe that anybody has directly pointed any accusations at you.
Leave the cop thing at home, man! This is an aviation form.
Accusation??? Arguements! Thinly veiled threats!! This is better than when the missus makes me work on my sensitive side by making me sit and watch her soaps!!
Oh and for LongRanger a slightly brusied ego?? C'mon man! I know once a cop, always a cop. This is a free forum.
I stand to be corrected here, but I don't believe that anybody has directly pointed any accusations at you.
Leave the cop thing at home, man! This is an aviation form.
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This thread was about EC (or it's previous name?) greasing "someone" with some illegal commissions to get the BO105 deal. There was no mention of EC bribing the RCMP, Heck, even EC isn't that stupid! ?? are they??
What they seemed to do with the RCMP deal is to cut the selling price to rock bottom.
As me old pappy once said, "you get what you pay for ...."
What they seemed to do with the RCMP deal is to cut the selling price to rock bottom.
As me old pappy once said, "you get what you pay for ...."
On every proposal I have worked on a key element is whether it is a competitive proposal . If it is competitive is it essential to understand what the oposition will bid.
The price quoted will always be lower in a competitive bid process that is why it is the normal way of doing business ( except for the 412 program of course). The bids are analysed for technical compliance with the SOW and for financial elements. The winner is the one that represents the best value to the customer and is fully compliant with the technical SOW. The B3 was and is fully compliant with the technical SOW submitted by the RCMP and the price was lower , end of story. You do not need to bribe anyone to make the correct choice.
If Bell miscalculated what they needed to bid to win the competition then it is entirely their fault. To me it seems like complacency on the part of Bell was the problem . If I am not mistaken Bell strongly appealed the decision but in the end had no reasonable grounds to reverse the RCMP decision.
The price quoted will always be lower in a competitive bid process that is why it is the normal way of doing business ( except for the 412 program of course). The bids are analysed for technical compliance with the SOW and for financial elements. The winner is the one that represents the best value to the customer and is fully compliant with the technical SOW. The B3 was and is fully compliant with the technical SOW submitted by the RCMP and the price was lower , end of story. You do not need to bribe anyone to make the correct choice.
If Bell miscalculated what they needed to bid to win the competition then it is entirely their fault. To me it seems like complacency on the part of Bell was the problem . If I am not mistaken Bell strongly appealed the decision but in the end had no reasonable grounds to reverse the RCMP decision.
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Bruised ego!!! My son, I'm too stunned to have an ego, let alone a bruised one.
The point of my post was the finger pointing. I'm not policing this forum, nor am I interested in doing so. That's RDM's job....morning RDM, nice to see you on board. Our friend Longdog identified by use of initials a person who I consider a friend. Although not perfectly clear, it appears as though he may be running on rumors and stirring a pot. I know I should have ignored the stuff but....aahhhh....one of those days I guess.
Not picking a fight 407 but there was a slight at the RCMP in the initial post. We had our fun with that though!!
My son, I'm too stunned to have an ego, let alone a bruised one.The point of my post was the finger pointing. I'm not policing this forum, nor am I interested in doing so. That's RDM's job....morning RDM, nice to see you on board. Our friend Longdog identified by use of initials a person who I consider a friend. Although not perfectly clear, it appears as though he may be running on rumors and stirring a pot. I know I should have ignored the stuff but....aahhhh....one of those days I guess.
Not picking a fight 407 but there was a slight at the RCMP in the initial post. We had our fun with that though!!
Good morning to yerself, ya still got that tree huggin pistol packin euro-trash driver from out west there showing you what buttons not to push?
From what I hear you pretty well got all the bells and whistle's, Richard A was telling me you even have the oil slick, smoke screen, and pax ejection seat options. Cool 
Kyle beat me to the 'be careful' what ya mutter speech.
From what I hear you pretty well got all the bells and whistle's, Richard A was telling me you even have the oil slick, smoke screen, and pax ejection seat options. Cool
Kyle beat me to the 'be careful' what ya mutter speech.
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No by, the tall one took off like a scauled cat, I think we scared the bejesus out of him!! Just kiddin....had a good visit. Wined and dined him a couple of times and no one got hurt.
I'm off to Penticton tomorrow marnin'...off to do the annual damage to Canadian's gear. Tinkin' about those hills got me drove already. :blink:
I'll try to call ya later, after the ShortRanger's hockey and ringette and dance and hockey and ringette and ringette and hockey but before LadyRanger tucks me in. :wacko:
Just kiddin....had a good visit. Wined and dined him a couple of times and no one got hurt.I'm off to Penticton tomorrow marnin'...off to do the annual damage to Canadian's gear. Tinkin' about those hills got me drove already. :blink:
I'll try to call ya later, after the ShortRanger's hockey and ringette and dance and hockey and ringette and ringette and hockey but before LadyRanger tucks me in. :wacko:
yess bye'...........spose ya got hes blood psi's hup to 1 eighty over undred, wit haul da salt meet hand rum
be careful out deer if we don't talk, wonn't want ya hurtin yerself.
If yer goin a'callin, do it befar 6, goin to a time tonight, and not befar 10 damarow, DQ has promised a LadyRanger style milkshake for tommorrow............. :wacko:
be careful out deer if we don't talk, wonn't want ya hurtin yerself.
If yer goin a'callin, do it befar 6, goin to a time tonight, and not befar 10 damarow, DQ has promised a LadyRanger style milkshake for tommorrow............. :wacko:
LongRanger, sir my apologizes it was not a criticsm towards anyone in particular, it was a comment on how business was done on all scales - local, domestic and internationally. It was not a shot at anyone personality (ies). Sorry again about your preception of what I was saying, and as for beign a friend, I still am.
As I reread my comment I can see how it sort or ran together, RH, The Person that was retired and the Politician are three (3) different entities.
As I reread my comment I can see how it sort or ran together, RH, The Person that was retired and the Politician are three (3) different entities.
