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cute....not.luv2fly said:TED huh? Like in liquida"TED"?
At least United is thinking outside the box. Inovaation is hard for some of the dinosaaur airlines.
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cute....not.luv2fly said:TED huh? Like in liquida"TED"?
It was just a joke. Lighten up.TransWorldONE said:cute....not.
At least United is thinking outside the box. Inovaation is hard for some of the dinosaaur airlines.
ZMAN777 said:At first it seems a bit silly. But, when you begin to unpeel the layers of marketing and thought that went into it it then makes a lot of sense
kcabpilot,kcabpilot said:My God, this is hopeless
unpeel the layers of marketing and thought ?
Earth to Zman.....
Obviously I'm a bit prejudiced but even so, I must admit that I think UAL has finally gotten themselves thinking outside the proverbial box! Good time to do it. I like the name, even though at first I thought it silly.
Just who the he11 do you thik you are refering to UAL's professional F/A's as "galley hags"?
UAL (along with pretty much everybody else) is ALREADY a Low fair carrier.
The routes UAL chose, where chosen for a REASON, they all had very LITTLE "premium" (First class) passengers.
UAL added 18 seats per jet. Do the math, that alone lowers CASM by approx 15% for those seats.
UAL posted an operating profit while in BK with the new pay rates and work rules. UAL even took back (YOY) pacific market share from NWA (despite being in BK).
It takes 2 FRNT pilots to fly one 132 seat A319 (or 114 seat A318)
It takes two UAL pilots to fly one 156 A320 (that actually has MORE legroom...)
UAL's FF program is far superior
The additional revenue base more than outweighs the higher UAL wages
Ok, so here is a reply from a close discussion.
so first of all if UA and every other carrier were low far carriers there would not be the high walk up fares that are still out there. The would not be all these first class seat flying around.
UA chose the routes because they are going head to head with Frontier, that was the only reason, they are trying to defend their home turf just as DL is doing with Airtran and what AA did with the others they ran out.
An operating profit is not a real true profit like the other airlines have posted. Go back and figure in dept payments, interest payments and all the other payments that your DIP group don't count but every other accounting firm and group counts. Who care about an operating profit when they are not large enough to continue to pay the bills.
It is evident how many pilots it takes to fly a plane but what was said was a lcc run by a major has never worked nor will it ever work. the high cost structure to support the lcc is flawed math. 40 planes can not save a 500-600 plane airline.
UA FF program superior to who's? all the lcc, you are correct but CO, and AA are far superior to UA. Seems advantage is the largest for a reason, and CO seems to always out rank UA in the surveys of the ff participants.
what additional revenue base? being able to sell more seats for a loss on creates more cash flow, more in, but even more out. look at us, look at failed tw, look at the fair sales going on now. they are only there to stimulate traffic and get some extra cash in and nothing more.