PlayTheOdds
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AMFA AMT's invented the idea of leaving oil caps off and deploying slides. The oil cap issue is about as dead as the birds in DEAD BIRDS pockets. Keep up VORT.
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PlayTheOdds said:
Another well thought out post by the famous PTO. Do you come up with these replies all by yourself PTO or do you ask your manager for assistance? Maybe you and your SCUM buddies all sit around in a circle at night and come up with these answers after everyone has had their turn on pivot duty. Sure gets lonely being locked away in seculsion doesnt it? Maybe one day soon you will grow a set and be allowed to be a man and go out on your own. I know its doubtful but one can dream cant they?
proAMFA said:
ProAmfa,
If Amfa didnt or doesnt have the authority to tell its members not to work ot it should have the right to fine members for working ot when others are out due to lay offs. Just another example of amfa and unions in general hypocrisy or did you forget "an injury to one is an injury to all" I am not trying to be insulting here, honestly, I am trying to engage in truthful meaningful conversation. You see there are so many contridictions within the entire union environment that it leaves alot of people with a very unfavorable opinion, such as alot of laid off mechs who watched the "union brothers" get richer as they get poorer after their lay offs. It has become a system which has encouraged abuse by the members as well as the executives. Plus the whole "brothers and sisters" thing makes it sound like a tent revival in some mississippi swamp.
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To tell its members to refuse overtime would have been considered an illegal job action at that time and more than likely led to a temporary restraining order (tro) issued by a judge and a hefty fine would have more than likely been assessed against the union.
Unlike many industrial so-called unions like the IAM or TWU AMFA urges its membership not to work overtime when brothers and sisters are laid-off. AMFA does not have the authority to tell its members to refuse overtime under normal contract conditions and does not have the authority to punish the members that choose to work overtime.
Unlike many industrial so-called unions like the IAM or TWU AMFA urges its membership not to work overtime when brothers and sisters are laid-off. AMFA does not have the authority to tell its members to refuse overtime under normal contract conditions and does not have the authority to punish the members that choose to work overtime.
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chasbatl said:
How many service bullitins has NWA issued in regards of oil caps?
How many service bullitins has NWA issued in regards of slides?
How many millions of dollars has NWA spent on remedial training on the two subjects?
How many millions has NWA spent on repairs from the AMFA boys screw ups?
Come on DEAD BIRD lets see some of that NWA scab research in action.
proAMFA said:
Actually, I believe if it was voted into the bilaws of the orginization then prior to any contract signing I dont believe it could be considered a job action. Where were the photos on the websites of members working over time where was the originizing of the laid off members picketing ot working members homes???? Do you see what I mean at all?
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Opus said:
Are you trying to say bylaws of the organization? Hope you work on planes better than you spell. AMFA already puts more pressure on its members not to work the overtime than at other union represented airlines. AMFA cannot force its members not to work it.
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Opus said:
If I didn't know better, I'd swear I was reading a post by an iam stooge on the 'Nuts scab BB. Are you sure your not a current or former iam supporter Opie? Maybe one thats laid off from UAL or NWA, and is now a supposed scab? Of course you would never admit it here. I think one can understand the possibility of a iam poseur here attempting to get off on the pain he is helping NWA management inflict on its mechanic and related workers. Remember this if you are a scab.....your next.
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Its really quite obvious that the posters PTO/KTO and OPUS are just a couple of IAM/TWU company bootlicks, their immense disdain for the AMFA is a dead give away. just go back and read all previous post by these goons and I think you will probably concur.Hackman said:If I didn't know better, I'd swear I was reading a post by an iam stooge on the 'Nuts scab BB. Are you sure your not a current or former iam supporter Opie? Maybe one thats laid off from UAL or NWA, and is now a supposed scab? Of course you would never admit it here. I think one can understand the possibility of a iam poseur here attempting to get off on the pain he is helping NWA management inflict on its mechanic and related workers. Remember this if you are a scab.....your next.
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Opus,Oct 4 2005, 12:05 PM]
Sorry but you have your Latin wrong, your proper name should be "ignarus".
Lets take a real look at this now............
Yes, lets.
1. Amfa members pay basically the same dues other unions pay, ummm where is the strike fund the other unions have??????? Could be in Delles weekend beach house in Fl. possibly.
Which unions have strike funds? The TWU doesnt and one of the reasons why the IAM caved so easily is because their fund is like the Social Security fund. It exists in theory only.
2. For all the inside info Amfa supposedly has they didnt even know when they had the chance to sand bag this whole thing. They did have that chance too and they didnt take it.
And when was that?
3. They choose the worst time in history to go on strike, lets see here, republican adminstration, country in bad economics, bk rules change deadline coming, customers concerened only about their own pocket books, oil prices on the rise and the big one that almost assured on press WE ARE AT WAR!!!!!!!!
So? Most strikes in history took place under even worse conditions as employers sought to do what NWA is doing now-exploit. If times were good,as they were in early 2001 the President would, and did, prevent a strike.The IAM lost 25% of its membership over a 4 year period, however its expenses did not decline at the same rate as membership.
4. Amfa's finances so pathetic that they had to grovel and were blessed by the UAW and their very kind gesture of 200.00 per member. Wonder if there is going to be a UAW card drive at NWA??????????
Well they would be better off in the UAW than the IAM.
5. On the whole they called fellow workers names and expect them to feel solidarity with them, ummm bagsmashers, knuckle draggers ect ect. wonder why the crossed the picket lines???????
Who called them that? If you have any documentation put out by AMFA then present it.
6. The amfa members are totally clueless not to mention ARROGANT beyond belief, however apparently NWA already knew this. They think there is no other well trained mechanics out there capable of quality maint. geee wonder if that is one of their biggest problems???
Wake up guys and find a job, PTO is right "ITS OVER"
I suspect that many already have, thats why the lines are sparse but that doesnt mean its over.
Sorry but you have your Latin wrong, your proper name should be "ignarus".
Lets take a real look at this now............
Yes, lets.
1. Amfa members pay basically the same dues other unions pay, ummm where is the strike fund the other unions have??????? Could be in Delles weekend beach house in Fl. possibly.
Which unions have strike funds? The TWU doesnt and one of the reasons why the IAM caved so easily is because their fund is like the Social Security fund. It exists in theory only.
2. For all the inside info Amfa supposedly has they didnt even know when they had the chance to sand bag this whole thing. They did have that chance too and they didnt take it.
And when was that?
3. They choose the worst time in history to go on strike, lets see here, republican adminstration, country in bad economics, bk rules change deadline coming, customers concerened only about their own pocket books, oil prices on the rise and the big one that almost assured on press WE ARE AT WAR!!!!!!!!
So? Most strikes in history took place under even worse conditions as employers sought to do what NWA is doing now-exploit. If times were good,as they were in early 2001 the President would, and did, prevent a strike.The IAM lost 25% of its membership over a 4 year period, however its expenses did not decline at the same rate as membership.
4. Amfa's finances so pathetic that they had to grovel and were blessed by the UAW and their very kind gesture of 200.00 per member. Wonder if there is going to be a UAW card drive at NWA??????????
Well they would be better off in the UAW than the IAM.
5. On the whole they called fellow workers names and expect them to feel solidarity with them, ummm bagsmashers, knuckle draggers ect ect. wonder why the crossed the picket lines???????
Who called them that? If you have any documentation put out by AMFA then present it.
6. The amfa members are totally clueless not to mention ARROGANT beyond belief, however apparently NWA already knew this. They think there is no other well trained mechanics out there capable of quality maint. geee wonder if that is one of their biggest problems???
Wake up guys and find a job, PTO is right "ITS OVER"
I suspect that many already have, thats why the lines are sparse but that doesnt mean its over.
Geezzzzzz,
I beg your freeking pardon guys, I did not spell afew words correctly, please excuse me, I was typing and have a separate conversation at the same time. I am not perfect not do I pretend to me.
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of a union, my experience with unions is via my father. My father was an EAL mech and striker (prior to that if you want to go way back he was with Flying Tigers) and then after afew very lean years ended up with UAW working for GM in the midwest. I also worked with union people at two contracts in the past and yes I was offered direct employment at those contracts but chose to stay a contractor. Politically I am a bit of a liberal, current economics leads me to feel like a bit of a socialist. I dont think its right for CEO's to walk away with millions on top of millions while the poor guy changing oil cant make enough to by diapers; however I am not in a position to change any of that. So the smart thing is to make the money while there is any to be made and get out. There you go the whole kit and kaboodle. My wife and I are trying to build a business that our kids will be able to take over in the future and hopefully earn a living from because I dont know that there will be any other way to earn a decent living in the future.
Thank you for the nasty spiteful attacks when I was attempting to have a real dialogue.
I beg your freeking pardon guys, I did not spell afew words correctly, please excuse me, I was typing and have a separate conversation at the same time. I am not perfect not do I pretend to me.
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of a union, my experience with unions is via my father. My father was an EAL mech and striker (prior to that if you want to go way back he was with Flying Tigers) and then after afew very lean years ended up with UAW working for GM in the midwest. I also worked with union people at two contracts in the past and yes I was offered direct employment at those contracts but chose to stay a contractor. Politically I am a bit of a liberal, current economics leads me to feel like a bit of a socialist. I dont think its right for CEO's to walk away with millions on top of millions while the poor guy changing oil cant make enough to by diapers; however I am not in a position to change any of that. So the smart thing is to make the money while there is any to be made and get out. There you go the whole kit and kaboodle. My wife and I are trying to build a business that our kids will be able to take over in the future and hopefully earn a living from because I dont know that there will be any other way to earn a decent living in the future.
Thank you for the nasty spiteful attacks when I was attempting to have a real dialogue.
local 12 proud said:
I am not a goon nor a bootlicker, I have been a professional contractor for years now. I do not pose as anything other than what I am an aircraft mechanic and A&P not an AMT. Yes I do disdain amfa and all other unions I have any familiarity with, they dont stand for what they should or what the used to. Unions today have become watered down and personal banks for the executives and a means of blackmailing companies while ensuring that lazy worthless people retain jobs they dont deserve. I have seen it I have worked with it I have been frustrated by it. I will NOT join any union, although I am very well aware that pretty soon they will all come calling at NWA wanting a card drive. Oh, and you guys need to let all the amfa mechs that went to Oscoda Mi with STS services know they are working for the same company that replaced them. STS is the same company as Avtech they have a lovely euphamism for that they say "sister companies" it is actually Avtech is a subsidiary of STS!!! Oh, and if I misspelled anything its because I am typing pretty fast and this laptop has tiny little keys.
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You seem like a nice enough guy and I pull for the average joe and his family-unless he is prospering at the expense of others, in other words, stealing jobs in a labor dispute, in which case he is nothing but a MF SCAB!
If your politics are as moderate as you profess how can you justify being a part of an ultra-conservative, right-wing agenda against the working man and woman?
Guy, we got to pull together or we'll all be working for nothing and U.S. aircraft will become lawndarts while the airline companies will consider the losses acceptable attrition in order to keep costs affordable.
You either one of us or your anti-worker there really is no inbetween and you know it.
If your politics are as moderate as you profess how can you justify being a part of an ultra-conservative, right-wing agenda against the working man and woman?
Guy, we got to pull together or we'll all be working for nothing and U.S. aircraft will become lawndarts while the airline companies will consider the losses acceptable attrition in order to keep costs affordable.
You either one of us or your anti-worker there really is no inbetween and you know it.
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proAMFA said:
You seem like a nice enough guy and I pull for the average joe and his family-unless he is prospering at the expense of others, in other words, stealing jobs in a labor dispute, in which case he is nothing but a MF SCAB!
Get over it proAMFA there will soon be more of us scabs in the aviation work force than you proUNION junkies.
If your politics are as moderate as you profess how can you justify being a part of an ultra-conservative, right-wing agenda against the working man and woman?
We are not against them we are saving them from jumping out of the pot and into the fire.
Guy, we got to pull together or we'll all be working for nothing and U.S. aircraft will become lawndarts while the airline companies will consider the losses acceptable attrition in order to keep costs affordable.
I agree with you 100%. The problem here is that there is no SOLIDARITY between the American people or the unions themselves thus the labor movement is stagnant. The union members don't even have any faith in their own unions and they have just cause not to. The companies have the money that pays our incomes so you can't get rid of them. The unions however takes our money and provides no results and hinders the growth of the companies with its outlandish demands. The next logic move is to liquidate the unions. Let the industry operate for a while without them and see what happens, it can't get any worse than it already is. If time shows that a union is necessary then build a new one with no ties at all with the old dilapidated corrupt ones. The union and its finances must be controlled by the members 100%. Any leaders of the union should recieve very little compensation. It should not be a get rich scheme like the unions of today are.
Just step over and read the US board that is a real fiasco. Those union aren't fighting to protect those poor suckers they are fighting over the dues to keep that free money coming in.
If I were US, during the squabble for control over which union is going to represent the work force I would demand concessions right then from its employees. That would deal both unions a serious blow relieving US of having to deal with a union at all and make both unions weak for the next company to deal the next blow. Northwest has set a new standard for dealing with unions. I hope the rest of the industry will follow suit.
You either one of us or your anti-worker there really is no inbetween and you know it.
Oh yes there is and time will prove that. In the event that you didn't know your unions are anti-worker.
Sorry Opus I just had to jump on that.
