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With tongue firmly in cheek, I say to the West. Be careful what you wish for. It is possible to win and still lose. The only way to a lasting peace is for both sides to come together in compromise. For West pilots to enter into USAPA, elect their own reps, and negotiate something that is fair. We all know Nic, though fairly won, was NOT fair. Neither is a USAPA imposed DOH without considerable restrictions to protect the west. My point is, this war will never stop unless a negotiated settlement is made. One side may win a temporary advantage from time to time, but the battle will continue. We all will lose.
Okay, so you once worked for the east, now you work for the west. No wonder you want the "nic". Beautiful.Even though I am from the East ....
Peoples lives and careers are not games, to be won or lost.We all know Nic, though fairly won, .....
I sincerely hope the West prevails, get's what is rightfully owed to them, and the Cancer on trade unionism known as "USAPA" accelerates it's death spiral.
Welcome Newbie,
Does your current job have a union shop? Are you currently a union member? If so which union would that be?
I used to be sympathetic to East pilots...I used to be one of them. Now I'm just disgusted and embarrassed to have ever been a US Air "new hire",
I really don't get you. Why would you feel that being hired by a company in some way reflects negatively upon you? Guilt by association? I guess if you are trying to demonize all US pilots, the mere act of being hired contaminates you in some way. If you actually did work here( and you sound more like a former East ALPA rep impostor to me), you would know that we have a quite diverse group and until Nic, we hardly ever could stick together on anything. Rather than try to stereotype the West pilots, which I know is diverse but united largely behind fears of what the East pilots might or might not be able to "do" to them, I will stick to the topic.
I think you miss the point of my post. The courts really don't count. Unless we change the hearts of many pilots on both sides, this company will not be a place worth working for the next 15 years or so. Even if a court were to try to impose Nic, it won't work. Nic is not a basically fair award. Neither would a DOH without any restrictions to protect the West be fair. The West can try to win in court, and USAPA can try to force their will, but unless their is some minimal level of fairness, it will not stand. That's what revolutions are made of. Nic was so unfair that it united pilots that couldn't agree on anything and an unprecedented revolution took place in ALPA. Even NWA-Republic and all it's generally accepted inequity couldn't do that.
I fully understand that the West pilots feel they won fairly as I agree they did... but most in their hearts and despite their rationalizations know it really wasn't a fair award. Now they cling to their booty not realizing that they risk losing even more because of their hardened position. Only when West pilots join in and try for a fair compromise is there a chance of making US Airways a place worth working at. Knowing human nature, I'm not holding out much hope. The war will go on until the last East pilot retires, or the last West pilot is discharged for failure to pay dues... or they both get so tired of the war that they finally sit down and talk.
And you pay ALPA dues? Please post your invoices/payments.I'm an ALPA member.
I really don't get you. Why would you feel that being hired by a company in some way reflects negatively upon you? Guilt by association? I guess if you are trying to demonize all US pilots, the mere act of being hired contaminates you in some way. If you actually did work here( and you sound more like a former East ALPA rep impostor to me), you would know that we have a quite diverse group and until Nic, we hardly ever could stick together on anything. Rather than try to stereotype the West pilots, which I know is diverse but united largely behind fears of what the East pilots might or might not be able to "do" to them, I will stick to the topic.
I think you miss the point of my post. The courts really don't count. Unless we change the hearts of many pilots on both sides, this company will not be a place worth working for the next 15 years or so. Even if a court were to try to impose Nic, it won't work. Nic is not a basically fair award. Neither would a DOH without any restrictions to protect the West be fair. The West can try to win in court, and USAPA can try to force their will, but unless their is some minimal level of fairness, it will not stand. That's what revolutions are made of. Nic was so unfair that it united pilots that couldn't agree on anything and an unprecedented revolution took place in ALPA. Even NWA-Republic and all it's generally accepted inequity couldn't do that.
I fully understand that the West pilots feel they won fairly as I agree they did... but most in their hearts and despite their rationalizations know it really wasn't a fair award. Now they cling to their booty not realizing that they risk losing even more because of their hardened position. Only when West pilots join in and try for a fair compromise is there a chance of making US Airways a place worth working at. Knowing human nature, I'm not holding out much hope. The war will go on until the last East pilot retires, or the last West pilot is discharged for failure to pay dues... or they both get so tired of the war that they finally sit down and talk.
And you pay ALPA dues? Please post your invoices/payments.
I'm an ALPA member. That fact, in no way influences my opinions. I'm just as candid with them as I am with anyone. ALPA has it's short comings to be sure. No argument here. However, USAPA doesn't share a single strand of DNA with any known trade union. It is in lock-step with tyrannical dictatorships. There alone lies the rub.
Who does the West "negotiate" with when there is one party?
I think you don't grasp what is going on here, it will either be the Nic. or not, a court of law will decide, and east, west, and management will abide by it. I find it amusing that you think there is room to "negotiate" with a union who's only position is to harm the west, we see that with disparate furloughs going on right now, the protection of the 6 junior easties out west, the fact that doh is not applied to east pilots only westies, etc. How much money and quality of life improvements have the east leadership usapa and alpa cost each east pilot in money and quality of life? You admit that the east is breaching a contract they made, you claim that Nic. is unfair, that's the easts opinion, I believe that usapa is unfair, but I have to accept it, just like you will accept the Nic.