US Pilots labor Discussion 12/4-

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Team Tempe doesn't have a clue! You are a smart guy and must realize that our pay restoration will only cost the company less than $2 per ticket. They realize that when we win the dispute on the pay restoration...........any chance of a single list is over. Three years from now we are back into our attrition and everyone on the east list will be flying up the list. Any new hires that come to the east will always vote with the east to remain separate. They will realize that the only way to get into your seat quickly is vote with the east. It really is quite simple!

As far as being right about the pay restoration don't take my word on it, just read Donn's two documents on the subject.........but I'm pretty sure you already read them.

Hate

The folks in Tempe have a clue, what they do not have or at least to date have not demonstrated, is the desire to end all this BS and put the hammer down. I think it is because they have benefited at our expense, and more greatly the east's expense. If (not when) you get pay restoration, the chance of a single list is not over, however the east as a seperate entity will be over. Tempe will violate the intent of the TA faster than you can say West minimum block hours. There are so many loopholes in the TA and the east contract that you could pretty much count on your great attrition not covering the loss of fleet in the east. But hey, after we recall our West furloughs, we will give you folks jobs at the bottom of our list, as per the TA, and when you see your Nic position as greater than the stapler, we will get a joint contract, and you will learn to like PBS.

As to reading Donn's documents, I have read them, and I have also read the original document. From an outsiders point of view, the best you could hope for from the language is a restoration of the annual 3% raise, but that 3% would be applied to your current payscale. Most likely you will not even get the 3% back. But good luck with all this, hope you get it.
 
Tempe will violate the intent of the TA faster than you can say West minimum block hours.
I kind of think Tempe will have there hands full trying to run this place after the 1st of the year, If I were a west pilot I would be very concerned about the future of this company.
 
I kind of think Tempe will have there hands full trying to run this place after the 1st of the year, If I were a west pilot I would be very concerned about the future of this company.

I became concerned and voiced it the day they told me America West was buying USAirways, been concerned ever since.

What I do not understand about your post is, why should only a West pilot be concerned?

By the way PIT runs the dailey how are we going to fix the mess at hand, Tempe runs the how many east pilots can we fire for illegal job actions and still maintain 67% of our schedule over the next 4 weeks type of problems.
 
I kind of think Tempe will have there hands full trying to run this place after the 1st of the year, If I were a west pilot I would be very concerned about the future of this company.

1/1/10. Parker used that exact term in the Dec 2 crew news in Clt. I think he was daring you, you going show him what you got?
 
You'll get 44K+, but you have to wait all the way to Age 65 to receive that sum.

I don't think you're correct on this... The mandated retirement age was 60 at the time the agreement with the PBGC was struck. When the PBGC took over the retirement plan per this agreement, pilots could begein collecting the PBGC benefit at age 60, and now it will be at that age that anyone, even still actively flying, can begin collecting their PBGC benefit.
 
I don't think you're correct on this... The mandated retirement age was 60 at the time the agreement with the PBGC was struck. When the PBGC took over the retirement plan per this agreement, pilots could begein collecting the PBGC benefit at age 60, and now it will be at that age that anyone, even still actively flying, can begin collecting their PBGC benefit.

You are correct. One can start collecting PBGC at 60.

However, I believe Hate2Fly is a PC4 category who would only draw about $28K at Age 60. If he waits until 65 he can collect around $44k, the max for plans terminated in 2003.
 
You are correct on that.

However, I believe Hate2Fly is a PC4 category who would only draw about $28K at Age 60. If he waits until 65 he can collect around $44k, the max for plans terminated in 2003.

Good info Sir. Don't have any way to know about the particulars of the individual in question, but at least as far as PC4's you are on the money.

A few additional points. Whether you take the PBGC benefit at 60 or 65, if your protect your spouse for the benefit, the payout is reduced according to his/her age and maybe some other parameters. I got the impression one of the posters here was getting PBGC for both him and his spouse (my situation also)...I have no idea how that would play out., since they are both potential survivors. Anyone with a PBGC benefit can call or email them and get a pretty good multi page printout on their options going forward.

I see the Medical tax credit (not the correct term) has been raised from 65% (?) to 80%. That is huge, and will give you an IRS tax credit for health care expenses (starting when I don't know, but at least at age 60) until Medicare kicks in. I don't know when the upgrade to the percentage occurred, but it was a good thing.

So if we can put the venom aside, we have a lot of folks now on the East over 60 that might leave with some kind of payout, and some kind of medical. Looks like a small gap to fill on the medical, maybe a little larger on the salary.

There are so many things we can address, hopefully soon, when we get some of the litigation out of the way.

RR
 
I kind of think Tempe will have there hands full trying to run this place after the 1st of the year, If I were a west pilot I would be very concerned about the future of this company.
And if I were an east pilot, I'd get use to eating Chinese or Korean food. That'll be your only option after you get fired.

I've learned though that you guys are more bark than bite though so I'm not too worried.
 
I got the impression one of the posters here was getting PBGC for both him and his spouse (my situation also)...I have no idea how that would play out., since they are both potential survivors.

Relatively simple in theory if both spouses work(ed) for US and the PBGC took over their DB pensions. The complicating factors would be if both were pilots or not (only the pilot can start drawing at 60 and keep working for US), ages, which PC group each is in, etc.

I see the Medical tax credit (not the correct term) has been raised from 65% (?) to 80%. That is huge, and will give you an IRS tax credit for health care expenses (starting when I don't know, but at least at age 60) until Medicare kicks in. I don't know when the upgrade to the percentage occurred, but it was a good thing.

It was part of the federal stimulus package and starts when one begins receiving a PBGC benefit. As I understand it, this was not a permanent change but rather temporary. There are requirements that have to be met to get the HCTC - medical not being available through a spouses employment, etc.

Looks like a small gap to fill on the medical

It's small while COBRA is in effect - about the same as the employee rate with the 65% HCTC credit and less than for employees with the 80% HCTC credit. After that it depends on what an HCTC approved individual health insurance coverage costs, but it's certainly better than paying the full amount out of pocket. Before the credit increased from 65 to 80% I was paying ~ $1,200/month for my wife and I with basically the same coverage as the middle employee plan.

Jim
 
I'm not guaranteeing that the 80% HCTC is only temporary, but it's my impression. Of course, the feds are going to get everyone "affordable health coverage" soon anyway....right?

Jim
 
As far as being right about the pay restoration don't take my word on it, just read Donn's two documents on the subject.........but I'm pretty sure you already read them.
Donn the ALPA guy? You can't believe an ALPA guy, right.

As a matter of fact the ink just evaporated off the ALPA-authored pages when USAPA was voted in, so there's nothing to read. Blank paper! It's like the Twilight Zone or something.

OK, now I'm just kidding. Don't go assessing the pilots for an Ink Evaporation Investigation Committee.

Now a Slush Fund Creation Committee? Nah, never happen.
 
quote name='luvn737s' post='719313' date='Dec 6 2009, 09:00 AM']Donn the ALPA guy? You can't believe an ALPA guy, right.

As a matter of fact the ink just evaporated off the ALPA-authored pages when USAPA was voted in, so there's nothing to read. Blank paper! It's like the Twilight Zone or something.

OK, now I'm just kidding. Don't go assessing the pilots for an Ink Evaporation Investigation Committee.

Now a Slush Fund Creation Committee? Nah, never happen.[/quote]

Yo luvn737s,

Donn has always been a USAirways east guy! He has been the author of so much of our contract and while we all don't agree with him all the time we realize he is a pretty smart guy! Donn did not author LOA93. That was a company generated document! We didn't put the dates on that document, the company did! It's not our fault that they couldn't complete this merger the way that they had envisioned.

I am amazed that the west pilots hope that we lose this grievance! At some point in time you can only benefit from our higher wages in the east! The company may really regret the decision not to give the east pilots parity.

So much for us in the east to look forward to in 2010.........

Hate

P.S. Just heard that in the new rule making coming out in March 2010..........flying more than 3 time zones is going to require a min. 36 hour layover........translation all Trans Atlantic flying will become 4 Day trips............looks like all the airlines with long range flying will have to recall/hire.
 
I am amazed that the west pilots hope that we lose this grievance! At some point in time you can only benefit from our higher wages in the east! The company may really regret the decision not to give the east pilots parity.
Yo Hate,

Great job not only putting this stuff up on the board, but highlighting it as well.

And its "envisioned", not "invisioned".
 
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