You scrub my back. I'll scrub yours.....and so on and so....

[Mr Red]

Your right Bob! AMR should have fired Arpey and and replaced him with a brutal cost cutter like they had a CO. You know the ones Brenneman and Bethune. What was one of the first things they did? Right after dumping the Airbus orders they outsourced almost all overhaul. DEN, LAX, and HOU gutted. AMTs literally escorted off the premises like criminals with their rollaways. One of the ex-Cons I spoke to from LAX said he came to work and was escorted out by security guards.

Call Arpey and Reding inept for sticking with in-house maintenance over the objections of the investors and analysts? Yeah, your right. Arpey and Reding, what a bunch of schmucks! They should have been like UA, US, America West, and NW Senior Execs and lined dumped M&E in BK and lined their pockets with some nice retention bonus money. I betcha' ex-UA CEO Tilton enjoyed his retention bonus $Ms while he waited for his next gig over at JP Morgan. Same story with those other CEOs. What a fool Arpey and Reding are by not following them in to BK court. They could have lined their pockets at our expense.

They did'nt need the BK route we accepted BK wages and eight yrs later its still the same.
Did'nt even fork over a dime to Lawyers thats got to be the Gold standard in the corporate world !!

 

[Hopeful]

Your right Bob! AMR should have fired Arpey and and replaced him with a brutal cost cutter like they had a CO. You know the ones Brenneman and Bethune. What was one of the first things they did? Right after dumping the Airbus orders they outsourced almost all overhaul. DEN, LAX, and HOU gutted. AMTs literally escorted off the premises like criminals with their rollaways. One of the ex-Cons I spoke to from LAX said he came to work and was escorted out by security guards.

Call Arpey and Reding inept for sticking with in-house maintenance over the objections of the investors and analysts? Yeah, your right. Arpey and Reding, what a bunch of schmucks! They should have been like UA, US, America West, and NW Senior Execs and lined dumped M&E in BK and lined their pockets with some nice retention bonus money. I betcha' ex-UA CEO Tilton enjoyed his retention bonus $Ms while he waited for his next gig over at JP Morgan. Same story with those other CEOs. What a fool Arpey and Reding are by not following them in to BK court. They could have lined their pockets at our expense.

Well, well, well.......If he didn't cut enough, shame on him....All we hear now is that AA still has the highest labor cost in the industry......well then they should have filed for CH.11 a long time ago........................................Oh and by the way, if the company's TA gets voted in second time around, they want to double the ASM percentage which will surely close every Class 2 station..
Aren't you the least bit curious that AA's look is so dire according to analysts and THEY STILL DO NOT WANT TO GET RID OF OVERHAUL???????????

I'll give you hint....It's not to save jobs......

All the saving they realized from raping the employees AND they are still in financial straits?
Bend over some more Overspeed, they're not done with you yet.

 

[Hopeful]

Were you sitting in the board room? Do you know that they stood silent? Or is it possible that Don just quit out of guilt?...

No, were you?

From firsthand experience, Carty's ego was the second or third biggest one I ever encountered at AMR (the other two are still there, and no, Arpey isn't one of them). The guy had a driver because he was too good to drive himself to work. He was too good to go to the cafeteria to get his own lunch so he sent his secretary. Daily. He even changed the travel policy so Donny Jr. could ride in F on his passes.

What do you expect when the upper class takes care of themselves. He's not too different than anyone else in his position.

There's no way I could see someone that out of touch leaving on his own. Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

Then all the king's horses and all the king's men (BOD) shouldv'e have publicly demanded his head instead of their secret society handshake and vote.
So much credibility could have been given them had they aired their view.
But again, "THE SECRET SOCIETY MEETING OF THE BOD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER."

 

[Bob Owens]

Your right Bob! AMR should have fired Arpey and and replaced him with a brutal cost cutter like they had a CO. You know the ones Brenneman and Bethune. What was one of the first things they did? Right after dumping the Airbus orders they outsourced almost all overhaul. DEN, LAX, and HOU gutted. AMTs literally escorted off the premises like criminals with their rollaways. One of the ex-Cons I spoke to from LAX said he came to work and was escorted out by security guards.

Call Arpey and Reding inept for sticking with in-house maintenance over the objections of the investors and analysts? Yeah, your right. Arpey and Reding, what a bunch of schmucks! They should have been like UA, US, America West, and NW Senior Execs and lined dumped M&E in BK and lined their pockets with some nice retention bonus money. I betcha' ex-UA CEO Tilton enjoyed his retention bonus $Ms while he waited for his next gig over at JP Morgan. Same story with those other CEOs. What a fool Arpey and Reding are by not following them in to BK court. They could have lined their pockets at our expense.

Try reading the post again.You obviously did not get it.
The did line theirs, and a lot of other peoples pockets at our expense, they just did it without going BK and screwing over the shareholders and other creditors.

 

[eolesen]

No, were you?

I was a lot closer to the Carty story than you were. And that's I'm going to say about that.

What do you expect when the upper class takes care of themselves. He's not too different than anyone else in his position.

Uh, no. That's quite different from anyone else in his position. Nobody else in my 15 years in the HDQ building had a driver, including Crandall & Arpey.

The only other industry CEO I've heard of who had a driver was Glenn Tilton over at UA, and he obviously got spoiled by the oil industry.

Then all the king's horses and all the king's men (BOD) shouldv'e have publicly demanded his head instead of their secret society handshake and vote.
So much credibility could have been given them had they aired their view.
But again, "THE SECRET SOCIETY MEETING OF THE BOD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER."

Sorry to disappoint you, but corporate boards don't need a soapbox like the blowhards in Congress or guys running for (or trying to stay in) a union office... They vote, it's done. No lobbying required.

 

[Hopeful]

I was a lot closer to the Carty story than you were. And that's I'm going to say about that.



Uh, no. That's quite different from anyone else in his position. Nobody else in my 15 years in the HDQ building had a driver, including Crandall & Arpey.

The only other industry CEO I've heard of who had a driver was Glenn Tilton over at UA, and he obviously got spoiled by the oil industry.



Sorry to disappoint you, but corporate boards don't need a soapbox like the blowhards in Congress or guys running for (or trying to stay in) a union office... They vote, it's done. No lobbying required.

You're a regular Forest Gump, managing to take part in every moment of AA history.
Just as nothing I or anyone else says can change your opinion on any subject, nothing YOU say can alter mine.

You are a PRO management defender with ANTI union sentiment.
Whereas I am NOT anti management, I am anti-greed and I am NOT Mr. union because I do not agree with ALL their agenda. I detest my union heirarchy as much as I do inept and greedy executives. I do not subscribe to the theory that if you bend over for management that you will prosper. They will only ask you to bend over more.

I am basically tired of corporate America blaming unions and labor in general, for all their financial woes, while upper management usually gets a a pass.

I am going to say it for the umpteenth time, prior to getting raped, I did NOT care what any CEO or executive, or anyone else for that matter, earned as a salary. And that goes for their drivers as well.

 

[strikeforce]

This is a frequent complaint of yours; I'm curious who you would name to the board of directors if not successful business executives?

Bob Owens!

 

[strikeforce]

What a fool Arpey and Reding are by not following them in to BK court. They could have lined their pockets at our expense.

Breaking News......Carty, Arpey, Horton, Chicken Little, Phat Don, Gless & all the other stooges DID LINE THEIR POCKETS AT OUR EXPENSE!!!!!.....where have you been for 8 years and counting?????

Maybe you are lining your pockets too, Overspeed??????

 

[strikeforce]

I was a lot closer to the Carty story than you were. And that's I'm going to say about that.




Maybe you had a hand in OUR 2003 Historical Raping????

 

[700UW]

Stephen Wolf while CEO of US had a limo at company expense, and he stayed at the Crystal City Marriot during the week as his home was a farm in the countryside of VA, and yes the limo and hotel were paid for by US Airways.

 

[strikeforce]

The main reason I enjoy this forum........people not associated with American Airlines & TWU International are witnessing "How F up the company and union really are"! It's really sad as an employee for 20+ years.

 

[chris perry]

Pretty sad !!!!!!

 

[eolesen]

Maybe you had a hand in OUR 2003 Historical Raping????

I took my 17% paycut just like you guys did, and my wife took a 100% paycut.

As for what I know about 2003....

One of the three secretaries who had been Crandall's assistants lived a few houses around the corner from me in [you don't really expect me to say where, do you?...], and she stayed on when Carty came in.

The stories she could tell would fill probably one or two books.

 

[Frank Szabo]

I took my 17% paycut just like you guys did, and my wife took a 100% paycut.

As for what I know about 2003....

One of the three secretaries who had been Crandall's assistants lived a few houses around the corner from me in [you don't really expect me to say where, do you?...], and she stayed on when Carty came in.

The stories she could tell would fill probably one or two books.

As I recall, salaried paycuts didn't occur per se. What I recall was ending the retiree medical for the salaried group (the medical coverage from an early retirement age to medicare coverage) was taken from the salaried employees (as they preferred per a vote, again, if I remember correctly). I find this particularly humerous as this is really some pretty crappy insurance the TWU fought to retain for its people in "their best interests".

According to a supervisor, the salaried boys and girls (below director level) were handed a paycut and almost immediately given the money back in the form of a raise after having lost the wonderous retirement medical insurance - he seemed to feel it happened only to be a slap in the workers' face.

Even though it's all water under the bridge now and there are now other battles to fight, this entire process was rife with lies at the outset, carefully choreographed by both company AND its wholly owned subsidiary, the TWU.

All turned out exactly as I had predicted to one of my shop stewards in 2003 - every time I say anything in this regard now he invariably gets his hackles up and leaves the area rather than debate the merits of his favorite social club as another on here does daily. There is no defense for the sales pitch of 2003 and they both know it.

 

[Observer]

Ideology or theology? . . . The unions haven't had a new idea in 100 years. PhatDon can't reach his shoe laces much less come up with a plan to help AMTs get a contract.

BUT he does have a steak knife with his name on it at Mr. G's in the Hyatt at DFW