191 Redux

[whlinder]

Anyone know when/if this will be re-played?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

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Oh good gawd Tony, not even I would have gone that far! 😛

Disagree with golfie as I may, he's still entitled to his opinion, as are you, as am I.

Suffice it to say that although 191 fell under the auspices of 1979 AA executives, it just doesn't seem that things have changed all that much considering the way AA is dealing with, and treating labor right now.

To AA, labor is chattel, a tool to be used, abused, and tossed aside when their usefulness becomes questionable to the executive level, who works ever feverishly to this day to find ways to turn labor into the street.

In Mr. Marshall's case, I believe it was case in point and my gut instincts, which rarely lead me astray, tell me that this was no ordinary suicide. As the last mechanic MD was able to get to, thanks to what I am sure was some heavy block plays by AA, it was most likely true that he held the keys to the kingdom here and AA knew it. My second instinct is that he had had enough, and most likely decided to sing like a bird in that deposition. I didn't come right out and say it, but I'll do so now, I don't think his was any ordinary suicide, my final gut reaction was that if it was suicide at all, it was "assisted" and not with his approval.

There really were survivors of the Crash of 191, and those survivors were Mr. Marshall's family, friends and co-workers who most likely watched a good man go to his death for not.

I remain ever skeptical of AA and their underlying motives of what they really would like to do with labor. Although I am no big fan of labor unions, it truly is companies like AMR and American Airlines that make labor unions necessary. If you can't attack labor directly, you attack their union, and I think that is exactly what AA is up to right now, they are working these labor unions from the inside out and eventually, they'll get what they want.

Because of all this, I don't believe for a split second that American Airlines is anymore trustworthy to the traveling public, and to their labor force today than they obviously weren't in 1979. Any company that would shred documents right under the nose of a judge to hide the fact that they were ordering employees to perform maintenance that was not up to par and recommendation with an aircraft's manufacturer, all so they could shield themselves from having to pay for the deaths of 272 people that their actions caused, is not a company that any sane, human being should do business with, or patronize.

The icing on the cake was when AA rejoiced in finding out that from that plane crash, they were going to realize an instant profit from their insurance company for 25 million dollars, and on top of that, pay nothing to victim's families - dumping it all on their insurance carrier. To actually brag about it is nothing short of disgusting and vile - such is AMR.

I'll bet the bonuses poured into the executive that year!

Imagolfer: My apologies if I appeared to be provoking an argument, such was not my intention. I'll continue to recognize your right to your opinion, if you'll recognize mine.

Trust everyone, but brand your cattle anyway.

 

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Interesting how the relatives of some of the victims were sent letters by AMR belittling their grief over this tragedy. One guy had been through this twice, having lost a relative in an early 60's AA crash 'and' on flight 191. Same treatment almost 20 years apart.
I also watched a show the other night about the LIT crash, which was far more recent. Same thing. A woman described how she was sent a letter by the company belittling the pain (and burns) that her little daughter suffered.

 

[FWAAA]

This program debuted last year around the 25th anniv of this tragedy. Here's the thread from last May discussing this disaster:

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...=11334&hl=pylon

Given that the History Channel will probably show this program every several months or so for several years, will there be a new thread flogging AA's decisions from 1979 every time this program is repeated??

My favorite conspiracy allegation in this thread? The outlandish assertion that the Tulsa mechanic didn't actually kill himself, but may have been murdered by AA. Did Hillary Clinton order the hit (as she is alleged to have done with Vince Foster)?

Yes, this incident and AA's response says a lot about AA today.

Just like the Hindenburg disaster says a lot about German aviation. Uh-huh. 🙄

Local 12 proud: I didn't miss the point at all. Some people just have an unusual need to spew vitriolic nonsense and this thread is a good example of that phenomenon. And I agree with you. There will probably be yet another disaster and it may even involve AA. After all, you'd think that the Challenger disaster would have awakened every employee at NASA to the gravity of Shuttle safety. Plenty of mismanagement there. But two years ago, the loss of the Columbia at re-entry makes one wonder if the guys at NASA have any idea what they are doing.

 

[Imagolfer]

Imagolfer: My apologies if I appeared to be provoking an argument, such was not my intention. I'll continue to recognize your right to your opinion, if you'll recognize mine.

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Wing, it's a deal

 

[WingNaPrayer]

My favorite conspiracy allegation in this thread? The outlandish assertion that the Tulsa mechanic didn't actually kill himself, but may have been murdered by AA.

WHO said that? I must have missed it!! It could be an interesting theory but I doubt it - I think the union did it myself! 😉

Yes, this incident and AA's response says a lot about AA today.

Just like the Hindenburg disaster says a lot about German aviation. Uh-huh. 🙄

As several have pointed out to you and everyone else, AA's response to an accident nearly 20 years before 191 was the same, as their response to a more recent accident, nearly 20 years later. AMR will NEVER change - it's the same old spoon-fed good old boy crap that has been there for years. The old Goats teach the new Kids, by example if nothing else, and nothing ever gets any better.

 

[j7915]

Having been marginally involved in an acft accident, signature all over the log books, in our legal system you can't afford to say anything to the victim or the relatives, any sign of being "nice" and caring will be twisted by the plaintiff's attorneys, and the judge.

Removing the engine with pylon was a bad decision, unless everything went right each time. Well it didn't, and this won't be the first time nor the last that techology is advanced thru failure. Read the history of bridge construction.