214 Co-jo On Here?

[Skidz]

So how many hours do you log vs. hours worked ? Do you usually work with the same pilot and AME all the time ?

You mentioned in your previous post that if you had to do it all over again, you would go another route. In hindsight, what would you have done differently ?

 

[Helilog56]

Let's make one thing clear...
The only reason a second pilot is in a machine such as the 214 on logging operations is for insurance purposes only... someone must be watching the gauges at all times.

:huh: Just a clarification here on that statement. The "reason" that there is a pilot in the right seat of a 214 is because, it is "not" cetified for left seat pilot in command.
Left seat cetification was (and is) only applicable to 204, 205, and 212. My point being, that if an operator has a pilot that is not endorsed sitting full time in the PIC seat ( and probably not PPC'd), they are not following their O.C. requirements as stated in CARS.
Could be a big issue if something should go wrong with an unqualified pilot sitting PIC....would not want to see what the insurance underwriter would say about that

 

[Rotorboy2]

Helilog,

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. I was told it was due to insurance purposes.

During my time there they did have a ship go down (fuel control failed). The co-jo was on his first tour, fresh out of flight school.

I wonder what they told the insurance company???

 

[helidude]

Rotorboy,

The only reason a second pilot is in a machine such as the 214 on logging operations is for insurance purposes only... someone must be watching the gauges at all times.

Is the 214 certified as a dual pilot only A/C or do the insurance companies specifically require a second pilot??
How is the 214 logging different than the 212 logging? 212's don't have a co-jo?!

 

[helidude]

Nevermind, I should've read the rest of the thread before posting. :wacko: :wacko:

 

[MagSeal]

it's OK Helidude...we know where you call home. We can understand your state of mind. One day global warming will take over and your climate will change for the better.

And since we haven't seen you around for a bit, did you ever find any equally mentally challenged individual(s) to fill your vacancies up there? If you did, I bet they're cursing you now huh? (I've checked out your local forcast for the week)😀 I'm still riding a motorcycle, not a snowmobile....

 

[Rotorboy2]

Skidz,

To answer your last question, no, you don't always work with the same AME or pilot. The pilots at Transwest (at least when I worked there) were on a 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off rotation, while the co-jos were 3 weeks on and 10 days off.

I don't know what exactly I would have done differently... perhaps I would have avoided the heli-logging co-jo route all together.

Although it had some negative aspects to it, there were some positive aspects as well, like flying that big bastard of a helicopter, for one.

 

[Thumper2]

Hmmmm Helilog56? You have me confused, is an STC considerd as certified or approved when it comes to operating the aircraft single pilot left seat? Perhaps some locations where not using applicablyapproved kits for the 214?. The request to have the right seat occupied did come straight from the insurance company and the insurance company letter specifically mentioned that the individual was only required to hold a commercial heli license as the aircraft at some locations was operated with the applicable STC therefore qualifying left hand single pilot operation.

 

[Helilog56]

😉 Good Morning there T2.....I know of a few companies that were requested to utilize a right seat pilot while conducting logging operations, and some of those were in 205 and 212, which of course are certified for left seat P.I.C. The 214 has never been neither certified nor approved for "left seat only" operations. Even all those years Rocky Mountain Helicopters were operating many 214's, did they bother to do an STC approval for the conversion. Sure, you can put all the required items that a bell medium requires for left seat operations, but it will not make the 214 "legal". The cost to do a a type approval would be fairly extensive, I think most (all) operators feel that it is the path of least resistence to maintain the status quo, and keep the "self loading ballast" in the right seat... 😀 (sorry guys, just could'nt resist)..