3% pay increase for all non contract employees

[GSEMAN]

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Thanx bagboy,............but save your breath.

DL...KOOL AID "slurpers"(like GSE) are in for a rude awakening.

As for the ESE's, I don't ever expect them(IAM) to "break a sweat" trying to do the right thing by you guys.

BUT......and it's a big BUT.

This is an abnormal oppertunity for them, in that , if things go "fair and square",( meaning the IAM's legal team can expose Andersen.."WHEN" he tries to "cook the books" into a Non union win)...this will mean THOUSAND's of NEW DUE$ payers,............and THAT the IAM ...LOVES !!


As it stands now, The DL F/a's are about 99% sure of being Unionized by the 2nd vote, but as for the ESE's it will be much closer, and will require that the IAM be EXTREMELY VIGILANT.

Unfortunately the NW agents/rez, and AMT's are in a TOUGH situation !

I'm still waiting for some facts from you as opposed to the emotional BS you've been spitting out. You just seem to rant and rave a hatred for my airline without explaining why you feel so strongly. You can childishly make fun of the fact that I love my company but I am a proud employee of Delta just as there are proud employees of NWA. Then there are those who are proud union members that could care less about their company. They drank the union kool-aid so to speak. They refuse to believe that a company can treat their employees with respect. I have no complaints about Delta and I don't need union representation. That's hard for you to except isn't it? I want you to do this. I want you to pretend you are trying to sell the union as a product. Make me believe I need the union. I want this to come from NHBB. give me facts. Make me believe. I don't want to hear BS like Delta has ridden on the coat tails of union companies as far as pay. Tell me why you hate Delta so much.

 

[1Conehead]

and for the record it's not a raise it's a payback.

A very partial payback, but something, considering the state of the industry I'm partially happy.

 

[Airlinelifer]

The IAM, AMFA and the rest are not any better than the management of the airlines. They're in it for the money, just like everyone else and could not really give a rat's a_ _ how much you make or pay for benefits. Their main concern is to keep the union dues coming so they can keep lining their pockets !
The day's of the union are numbered, so go ahead and give them your hard earned cash, and just in case you haven't noticed ,all industries are in trouble and laying off ! Why would airlines be any different other than the fact they got there first !

BTW..............from what I've read , you don't even work for an airline !

Your comment, "all industries are in trouble and laying off," is very disturbing. It seems that your almost giddy about the plight of manufactoring jobs in the United States.

In your warped reality, working for Delta, with a frozen pension is ok, paying higher medical and dental premiums is fine, having less sicks days, OJI days, two weeks less vacation, fantastic!, no layoff protection, YIPEE!, and the list goes on and on. But be damned if your going to pay $40.00/month in union dues.

SOUTHWIND LOVES DELTA AIR LINES SO MUCH, THAT HE WOULD RATHER *TRY* TO SCREW EVERYBODY ELSE'S CHANCE IN IMPROVING THEIR BENEFITS PACKAGE! YES ITS TRUE! I GUESS HE FORGOT DELTA'S # 1 RULE, DELTA GIVETH, DELTA CAN AND WILL TAKETH AWAY.


PS Do you even work in a department that might be represented by a union, or are you in management and trying to stir the pot.

 

[getitgoin]

I'm still waiting for some facts from you as opposed to the emotional BS you've been spitting out. You just seem to rant and rave a hatred for my airline without explaining why you feel so strongly. You can childishly make fun of the fact that I love my company but I am a proud employee of Delta just as there are proud employees of NWA. Then there are those who are proud union members that could care less about their company. They drank the union kool-aid so to speak. They refuse to believe that a company can treat their employees with respect. I have no complaints about Delta and I don't need union representation. That's hard for you to except isn't it? I want you to do this. I want you to pretend you are trying to sell the union as a product. Make me believe I need the union. I want this to come from NHBB. give me facts. Make me believe. I don't want to hear BS like Delta has ridden on the coat tails of union companies as far as pay. Tell me why you hate Delta so much.

GSE? Not to answer for anyone else,but I think you're being way short-sighted my friend. Much of the past legislation , such as the "Fair Labor Standards Act" and the "Railway Labor Act" that set up a system for providing a Standard for number of hours in a shift, paid company provided medical coverage, disability,vacation and many other provisions, as well as job security were won by unions(that's people that in many cases fought and died to have these rights or standards that you and I enjoy).
Many companies are attacking these standards, through legal precedent. Including Delta Airlines.
Remember;"the price of freedom is vigilance".
There will always be, as long as there exists greed and lust for power in the world, the need for strong labor unions.

 

[southwind]

Your comment, "all industries are in trouble and laying off," is very disturbing. It seems that your almost giddy about the plight of manufactoring jobs in the United States.

In your warped reality, working for Delta, with a frozen pension is ok, paying higher medical and dental premiums is fine, having less sicks days, OJI days, two weeks less vacation, fantastic!, no layoff protection, YIPEE!, and the list goes on and on. But be damned if your going to pay $40.00/month in union dues.

SOUTHWIND LOVES DELTA AIR LINES SO MUCH, THAT HE WOULD RATHER *TRY* TO SCREW EVERYBODY ELSE'S CHANCE IN IMPROVING THEIR BENEFITS PACKAGE! YES ITS TRUE! I GUESS HE FORGOT DELTA'S # 1 RULE, DELTA GIVETH, DELTA CAN AND WILL TAKETH AWAY.


PS Do you even work in a department that might be represented by a union, or are you in management and trying to stir the pot.

You need to take your blinders off ! I am not "GIDDY" at all about the state of affairs going on in this country, but the facts are plain to see, everyday you read a newspaper or look online, which you apparentely you "DON'T DO"!

And as far as I know, everyone "WITH" or without a union has had to give back, and yes even the pilots union has had to give back !

No one likes the situation the airline or any other industry is in right now, my problem is what I've stated :

Even with union representation, people have taken pay and benefit cuts and yes sadly, even lost jobs !

So when people come in here, thumpimg their chest and spouting" Vote Union Now" or else, I say or else what ! I'll take cuts or possibly lose my job? Seems to me that can happen to anyone backed or unbacked by a union !

Oh, and yes I do love Delta and with people like you, it just pushes me futher away from being pro-union...............good job at promoting your beliefs !

 

[700UW]

Southwind,

Actually union membership went up last year and ask yourself why the airlines are one of the highest unionized indutries.

Also the highest paid employees of an airline is WN and they are all unionized.

And unions are non-profit and every penny they spend it accounted for and public record, you cant say the same about the corporations.

 

[Kev3188]

You can childishly make fun of the fact that I love my company but I am a proud employee of Delta just as there are proud employees of NWA.

Nothing wrong with pride in your employer.... Where it goes wrong is when that respect is only a one-way street.

They refuse to believe that a company can treat their employees with respect.

DL's recent track record shows that it doesn't do so. The days of CE Wooleman (sp?) and the familial culture at the Widget are long gone.

I want you to pretend you are trying to sell the union as a product.

Maybe you should be "selling" us on why we *don't* need one....



While you're waiting for NHBB's response, here's a question from me. I've asked it multiple times here and other boards, and no anti-union people can seem to answer it. Maybe you can?

Here goes.

By being in the IAM at NWA, I pay $177/mo. for medical (family coverage). Non contract pay $295/mo. NWA wanted us to all pay the same rate, but the union was able to negotiate the lower rate. Even with a possible 8% annual increase, I'm still ahead. In short, by paying $41.00/mo. in dues, I save $118 in medical costs. Explain why this is fiscally irresponsible.

 

[southwind]

From a non-union Delta employee: I pay $ 66.00 a month for coverage on me alone on med. and $ 12.00 a month for dental and also without the threat of an 8% increase !

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

From a non-union Delta employee: I pay $ 66.00 a month for coverage on me alone on med. and $ 12.00 a month for dental and also without the threat of an 8% increase !

Isn't that $66 per pay period? (2x month)

 

[Yankeestu]

Isn't that $66 per pay period? (2x month)

Southwind,

And when they raise it to $335.00 a month (random figure) what is the policy for you to negotiate a lower out of pocket cost? Do they ask you what you can afford? When do we have annual scheduled pay increases? What means do you have to negotiate your pay increases? What happens if they decide with fuel costs what they are they are going to cut your pay another 25% and you can no longer feed your family or pay your mortgage? How would you negotiate concessions to get the company through a tough spot without sending you into financial ruin?

Minimum wage is aprox. $16,000 annually. Can you afford to live on that if times get tough enough to have our salaries dropped even further? They are welcome to change it to what ever they want and you have no recourse.

I am not looking to rape the company for my own compensation. When things get tough we can negotiate where the concessions are going to come from. We can decide what is most important to us, and where we can make some cuts.

I love my job and thankful to have it, but DAL hasn't been the company it was since 7.5. We are just a number to the powers that be, but the people I work with are my friends and choosen family members.

 

[Kev3188]

From a non-union Delta employee: I pay $ 66.00 a month for coverage on me alone on med.

Is this catastrophic care only? 80/20? 70/30? I have also heard that there are multiple options when it comes to plans. Maybe you could share what they/and their costs are?

What about family coverage rates?

FWIW, single coverage for union employees at NWA is $54.38/monthly, and non-contract is $90.66

....and also without the threat of an 8% increase !

As asked by Yankeestu, what's to stop DL from raising the rates at will?

 

[southwind]

To answer the 1st question "NO" that is not per pay period, $33.50 per pay period !

To answer another, lukily for me I don't have to use it very often, but I believe it's 90/10 with a max out of pocket of $2500.00. Once you reach your max. pays 100 %. No initial co-pay at time of visit . These figures are based on an individual. Don't know what family rates are.

And for Yankeestu...................is "ANY" company the way they use to be? Up until 7.5 Delta NEVER had layoffs I believe. Do you know of any other companys that can make that claim?
And as far as Medical going up to $335.00 a month.........
1. If healthcare spirals out of control that much "NO" union in the world will be able to help you.
2. If it gets that bad for any of us, we always have the option of finding another job. I'm sure their benefits "HAVE" to be superior...........Right ?
3. Vote Hillary or Obama, then everyone gets healthcare ,everyone pays less for it, but guess what ? You'll be paying for it anyways when they raise your taxes.
4. Vote for a union, if thats your desire, but so far the only benefits I've seen of being pro-union is bashing those who are not. It damn sure ain't pay and benefits.
5. Shoot yourself ! :blink:

 

[southwind]

Someone make me feel all warm and fuzzy about being unionized, and I mean substantial gains for being unionized, not petty crap like "Oh yeah, well we pay $69.00 for this and you guys have to pay $79.00. And please "DON'T" tell me unions saves jobs...............BULL _ _ _ _ !

And if and when this merger happens ,most NW employees will be getting raises..............Did your union do this for you ? :blink:

 

[Come Fly with Me]

Someone make me feel all warm and fuzzy about being unionized, and I mean substantial gains for being unionized, not petty crap like "Oh yeah, well we pay $69.00 for this and you guys have to pay $79.00. And please "DON'T" tell me unions saves jobs...............BULL _ _ _ _ !

And if and when this merger happens ,most NW employees will be getting raises..............Did your union do this for you ? :blink:

Southwind you forgot to mention that NW gets with their union dues a PENSION, NO CAPS ON SICK AND OJI TIME, 6 WEEKS OF VACATION AND WORK RULES IN WRITING THAT ACTUALLY PROTECTS YOU THE EMPLOYEE.

 

[Kev3188]

Someone make me feel all warm and fuzzy about being unionized, and I mean substantial gains for being unionized,

I'm still waiting for you to sell me on why being non-union is the way to go...

not petty crap like "Oh yeah, well we pay $69.00 for this and you guys have to pay $79.00. And please "DON'T" tell me unions saves jobs...............BULL _ _ _ _ !

Well, there's ~3000 people at NWA alone that would disagree with you on that one.

Nevertheless, one last time, here's what we at NWA enjoy vis a vis our DL counterparts:

* 6 weeks vacation vs. 4

* Fixed medical costs. If there's an increase, there is a set amount and time frame.

* 40 locations vs. 15 (I'm talking for the ramp, since that's what's most relevant to me)

* No cap on sick leave vs 7 days PPT at DL.

* No cap on OJI time

* Definitive rules on equal distribution of overtime

* Definitive caps on the amount of PT'ers in any given station

* Definitive language on layoff/displacement rights.

That's just a few out of many, and I only picked things that both carriers have in common. I didn't even touch on things that DL doesn't have such as grievance procedures, pension, etc.

And if and when this merger happens ,most NW employees will be getting raises..............Did your union do this for you ? :blink:

Actually, I'll be taking a pay cut, since your ALA pay is less than what our Lead pay is.

For everyone else, the benefits I listed above *FAR* outweigh the "massive" .18 cents/hr. that people would get.

Those extra 2 weeks? My union got me those.

Those 38 cities-besides DTW & MSP-where I can work (including the one I'm currently in, BTW)? My union got me those.

Unlimited sick/OJI time? yep, you guessed it. All negotiated by my union on my behalf.