5 Year Pilots

[Dizel8]

Let him go, he is on a roll!

 

[Busdrvr]

Busdrvr now you're really reaching.

[post="242510"][/post]​

On what?

 

[CaptianBoomer]

Bus:

Please don't give me so much credit!

I didn't ask Neeleman to go work the ramp. He decided that BOS had had enough BS for one snowstorm and decided to take the bull by the horns and get it done. He didn't ask someone else to do what he could do himself. So he got in his car and DROVE to BOS to work.

For your information, the MASSPORT fools place all the snow from the entire ramp area adjacent to our two gates in BOS right in front of our gates. Consequently, no JetBlue aircraft could park. Neeleman went up there to straigten them out and help. BTW, other JetBlue employees volunteered to go to BOS to help out.

I suppose from your rant that if the CEO gets on one of the jets and serves the customers he is also putting his life on the line. That is the reach you are making.

And finally, your slanderous post about his inappropriate touching of others has no foundation in fact that I am aware of. (Personally, the man has 9 children, so he probably gets more than enough attention at home.)

Boomer

 

[Bear96]

I suppose from your rant that if the CEO gets on one of the jets and serves the customers he is also putting his life on the line. That is the reach you are making.

Boomer

[post="242653"][/post]​

What he said.

 

[B6Busdriver]

It's best to just ignore Busdrvr. He's still pissed that his career progression computer program isn't coming to fruition. How about your career expectationsBusdrvr? You'll be lucky to have a job won't you? His therapist must of suggested this forum to him so he can vent and get his anger out. Just remember Busdrvr: inhale,exhale,inhale,exhale.....relax....again inhale.........

 

[Busdrvr]

B6BB, you crack me up 😀 .
I'll be first to admit, I don't like Dave. I don't like his grandstanding, I don't like his ethics (especially after the current "accounting interpretations" that "saved the quarter"). Anything he does, I'll admittedly be seeing from my vantage point of disgust just as you guys see it from your vantage point that he's the new messiah.

"was on the ramp in 20 degree weather helping the ground crewmembers load the aircraft."

This is the part I thought was stupid. Is there a roll for the "sis boom bah" from a CEO to rally the troops? Absolutely. It should have happened at U when the PHL fiasco was going down. Same applies for swilling drinks and blu chips on the back of a jet. But to be on a ramp in 20 degree weather, in a dangerous enviroment (people die every year on the ramp) especially if he indeed has ADD as bad as he claims? That's just stupid. Was it important that he go to BOS to "straighten it out"? Maybe he figured his "star power" would fix the city, but if it truley took a visit from the CEO to fix BOS, you may need a new station manager. So the city piles snow by your gates? I guess that's why they were "available"....

"How about your career expectationsBusdrvr? You'll be lucky to have a job won't you?"

I don't know b6bb, my current compansation package exceeds a 1000 hour a year B6 Capt. I don't want your job. Never applied, never will. I just personally think given the level of training and education a pilot requires, it should pay more. You apparently don't. And don't give me the crap that one day Blu will pay more. The margins, despite creative accounting, are gone. RASM is going down, BIG. The legacies are matching pay rates and work rules to yours (instead of the other way around), and it will be a VERY next few years for EVERYONE (even you). Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I just think it's a bad thing that we never had the brains to band together to support wages and benefits this career deserves. Fly safe and good luck. 😉

 

[v1rotate]

I don't want your job. Never applied, never will. 😉

[post="243764"][/post]​

Never say never!! This is aviation my friend! Anyone of us just might be your next Chief Pilot. It's a small world. B)

v1

 

[Busdrvr]

Never say never!! This is aviation my friend! Anyone of us just might be your next Chief Pilot. It's a small world. B)

v1

[post="243829"][/post]​

Good point V1!! Burning Bridges is never smart 😉 . In all honesty, it just isn't worth the pay to me. Too many other options. there are things I did at 20 aren't worth doing at 40.

 

[B6Busdriver]

First of all, no human is my messiah.

I respect David Neeleman but I don't drink Kool-Aid. You see I'm on the Atkins diet and it has way too much sugar in it. 😀

I'm sure Tilton is way too smart to chuck bags on a 20 degree day in BOS. Based on the great success he is having as an airline CEO he might be smart to start chucking bags and let someone else run UAL.

Liars figure and figures lie or is it the other way around? From what I see on http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/ my Captain pay is only a few bucks away from yours. Oh and I will be getting a profit sharing check too. The disparity in pay between your employer and JetBlue has narrowed yet your CASM has decreased little. As for revenue problems you might not throw stones lest thee might break thy glass house. Looks like UAL didn't meet its financial numbers in December yet was given a "break" and allowed to continue operating without defaulting.

 

[justaumechanic]

B6BB, you crack me up 😀 .
I'll be first to admit, I don't like Dave. I don't like his grandstanding, I don't like his ethics (especially after the current "accounting interpretations" that "saved the quarter"). Anything he does, I'll admittedly be seeing from my vantage point of disgust just as you guys see it from your vantage point that he's the new messiah.

"was on the ramp in 20 degree weather helping the ground crewmembers load the aircraft."

This is the part I thought was stupid. Is there a roll for the "sis boom bah" from a CEO to rally the troops? Absolutely. It should have happened at U when the PHL fiasco was going down. Same applies for swilling drinks and blu chips on the back of a jet. But to be on a ramp in 20 degree weather, in a dangerous enviroment (people die every year on the ramp) especially if he indeed has ADD as bad as he claims? That's just stupid. Was it important that he go to BOS to "straighten it out"? Maybe he figured his "star power" would fix the city, but if it truley took a visit from the CEO to fix BOS, you may need a new station manager. So the city piles snow by your gates? I guess that's why they were "available"....

"How about your career expectationsBusdrvr? You'll be lucky to have a job won't you?"

I don't know b6bb, my current compansation package exceeds a 1000 hour a year B6 Capt. I don't want your job. Never applied, never will. I just personally think given the level of training and education a pilot requires, it should pay more. You apparently don't. And don't give me the crap that one day Blu will pay more. The margins, despite creative accounting, are gone. RASM is going down, BIG. The legacies are matching pay rates and work rules to yours (instead of the other way around), and it will be a VERY next few years for EVERYONE (even you). Honestly, I don't have a horse in this race. I just think it's a bad thing that we never had the brains to band together to support wages and benefits this career deserves. Fly safe and good luck. 😉

[post="243764"][/post]​

There is no doubt you are a whinny PU$&%!!

Fact facts.. JetBlue can fly circles around your outfit and when you are out on the
street you will be begging JetBlue for a job.. With luck you will give them your ID from this website which will throw up about 20 flags and they will tell you No..

United is on a death watch.. Think it can't happen? Ask a senior Eastern Captain or a PanAm Captain.. They will tell you another story.

 

[CaptianBoomer]

BusDrvr:

Lots of people getting killed on the ramp at airports every year, isn't there?

ADD is a behavioral/learning disorder. My wife has it. It doesn't make her a danger to herself driving a car, working in the kitchen, or even if she chose to fly a jet for a living.

I know lots of morons flying planes for a living. I know lots of morons running airlines today. First you accuse Neeleman of putting his life in danger, then you accuse him of cooking the books. What will it be next, the Kennedy assassination?

I am sure Mr. Neeleman's insurance company is biting their nails to the quick knowing he is out on the ramp helping his co-workers get a plane out on time....something most airline CEO's only see in their worst nightmares. This type of behavior is as rare as a heavy Captain doing a walkaround in a rainstorm! Very rare, but very refreshing!

As far as your comment about the BOS situation, Neeleman indeed went up there to turn the screws on Massport. And damn well he should of! Making a scapegoat out of the station manager in BOS is easy. After all, she was out there showing the snowplows where to put the snow, right? Sounds like the playbook of the legacy carrier management......blame someone else and don't get your hands dirty doing it.

Boomer

 

[Busdrvr]

There is no doubt you are a whinny PU$&%!!

Fact facts.. JetBlue can fly circles around your outfit and when you are out on the
street you will be begging JetBlue for a job.. With luck you will give them your ID from this website which will throw up about 20 flags and they will tell you No..

United is on a death watch.. Think it can't happen? Ask a senior Eastern Captain or a PanAm Captain.. They will tell you another story.

[post="243933"][/post]​

Well I see your company doesn't have a psych test.... More Prozac, Less coffee.. 🙄

 

[Daedalus]

Oh never mind......

 

[jbu320]

Good point V1!!  Burning Bridges is never smart 😉 .  In all honesty, it just isn't worth the pay to me.  Too many other options.  there are things I did at 20 aren't worth doing at 40.

[post="243869"][/post]​

I believe the last sentence may say a lot for us who are trying to understand your 'lack of logic.' You may be employed by what has been a large 'but not great' carrier for a little while. Many of us who may be employed by what you consider a ridiculous little annoyance, have been employed by legacy carriers when you were sharpening your #2 softlead pencils in grade school. Your derogatory comments alone show your lack of knowledge and professionalism. The industry you are so proud to wear a 'legacy' uniform in today does not hold a candle to the quality of aviators or professionals of days gone by. The managers in today's industry face challenges that the Nirop's never did. (Do you even recognize who that is?) If you cannot offer something constructive and intelligent, please just go away. How about your opinion on our country's leadership? I'm sure you have opinions on that also. Do you also contribute to the editorials of the nation's newspapers or is this just a JB bashinng effort you are hanging out to be viewed by all who are interested in this site? Please do us all a favor and go enjoy your family. I hope they love you more than the masses who are reading your litany of garbage. :down:

 

[Farley]

Apparently your limited route structure is contributing to a lack of knowledge concerning geography. Just so you know, Alabama is part of the U.S. I even have their quarter. UAL has started outsourcing some MX and plans to do more, AS A RESULT OF THE COST ADVANTAGE OTHER AIRLINES GAINED FROM IT. If it weren't for corner cutting outsourcers elsewhere, rest assured UAL would do all labor in house. Prior to BK, UAL had one of the highest, if not highest mechanic to jet ratio's in the industry, and likely STILL has one of the highest. Higher than Blue I'll wager. Unfortunately, Ma Kettle will B@#@tch and moan about pa's job going to India while waiting to board a Blu jet that just had heavy done by Taco.

[post="241764"][/post]​

Highest mechanic to jet ratio? Is that a bragging point? You had them driving tugs and watching TV in the break room all day. By the way, why do you have that TED jet as your avatar, aren't you furloughed?