Glenn Quagmire
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Maybe someone will send a message to "the appropriate" folks and you will be contacted, post haste! Rotflmao.
5TH week vacation coming back?
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and the number of NW employees who had the 5th week at the date of the merger was....?
Kev3188
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...Easily determined w/in minutes from anywhere on the system...
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so the number is ?
Kev3188
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Couldn't tell you what it "is." That's GQ's whole point.
Used to be able to tell you what it "was," since we had access to the master list at any time.
If my employer didn't go to such lengths to hide the system list(s) for ACS, I might be able to help.
You should make a call...
Used to be able to tell you what it "was," since we had access to the master list at any time.
If my employer didn't go to such lengths to hide the system list(s) for ACS, I might be able to help.
You should make a call...
Kev3188
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Both, actually.
...Or I could've just looked it up myself on the seniority list.
...Or I could've just looked it up myself on the seniority list.
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so you don't have past date information that you could have retained if it was so important but you want to be able to access future benefit information that isn't even in effect?
and therein might explain why you can't and won't find the information....
DL's philosophy is not that you can just show up and breathe air for year after year and then know with certainty what you will receive in pay and benefits.
And that performance based approached to compensation and benefits is COMPLETELY contrary to the union model.
Strangely, DL employees want the performance based model because that is precisely the model that is helping them push their salaries and benefits up far faster than those of other employees in the industry and to actual levels above their peers.
They are not buying what you are selling.
and therein might explain why you can't and won't find the information....
DL's philosophy is not that you can just show up and breathe air for year after year and then know with certainty what you will receive in pay and benefits.
And that performance based approached to compensation and benefits is COMPLETELY contrary to the union model.
Strangely, DL employees want the performance based model because that is precisely the model that is helping them push their salaries and benefits up far faster than those of other employees in the industry and to actual levels above their peers.
They are not buying what you are selling.
Kev3188
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No, I do not happen to have the last published master seniority list sitting here next to me.
GQ's question is a reasonable one, and one being asked a lot by "actual DL employees."
How many people used to have 5 weeks is a question that *you* asked, and while it might be fun to know- since it would also show how many had it taken away by DL at merger time- it has no direct bearing on what he's looking for, nor does it answer how "bad time" may (or may not) affect eligibility...
GQ's question is a reasonable one, and one being asked a lot by "actual DL employees."
How many people used to have 5 weeks is a question that *you* asked, and while it might be fun to know- since it would also show how many had it taken away by DL at merger time- it has no direct bearing on what he's looking for, nor does it answer how "bad time" may (or may not) affect eligibility...
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we can wait for you to find it.....
if it's a matter of saving the world, you surely don't want to rush the process - or you might end up with all kinds of empty promises to deliver service on a website that ends up resulting in being called to testify before Congress.
if it's a matter of saving the world, you surely don't want to rush the process - or you might end up with all kinds of empty promises to deliver service on a website that ends up resulting in being called to testify before Congress.
Kev3188
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That last sentence makes no sense.
Must still be looking to boost your post count...
Must still be looking to boost your post count...
Kev3188
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How long have you been separated from DL?
All of DL's vacation and base wage accruals for scale employees are based on years of service. You know, like every other carrier- union or not.
NONE are performance based.
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except that you posted pages back that there are indeed exclusions that might limit the number of people that might receive the benefit. That would be considered performance based, tay?
That is why we are having this discussion, or shall I get out the crayons?
Vacation time, including the 5th week, are not the only benefits that DL employees based and there are a number of them that do have performance components to them.
DL employees like the system because it delivers more rewards faster than what other carriers are getting with their CBAs.
BTW, I could care less about the post count... but since you seem to be glued to your computer to make sure I can't possibly get in a word that you can't challenge, I'll stay with you as long as I can.
It was a game, Kevin. But you never said the "go to hell" statement was a joke, though. Those are serious words.
That is why we are having this discussion, or shall I get out the crayons?
Vacation time, including the 5th week, are not the only benefits that DL employees based and there are a number of them that do have performance components to them.
DL employees like the system because it delivers more rewards faster than what other carriers are getting with their CBAs.
BTW, I could care less about the post count... but since you seem to be glued to your computer to make sure I can't possibly get in a word that you can't challenge, I'll stay with you as long as I can.
It was a game, Kevin. But you never said the "go to hell" statement was a joke, though. Those are serious words.
Again as a white collar unorganized professional I have a very different perspective on all this. Explain why it should be any of your business how many weeks of vacation or preference for vacation taking days off another employee receives? Personnel matters should be handled on a need to know basis with the employee, supervisors, managers, and HR department, not other employees. In practice with workplace politics that doesn't happen but its mind boggling to me why people accustomed to a union and seniority based environment feel information is being withheld from them. And of course you cover this up with accountability, consistency, fairness, transparency, etc but giving everyone the exact same is not necessarily "fair".
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because Kev can't save the world if he doesn't know everyone's business....
besides socialism is built around the idea that everyone should be treated equally. Capitalism is built around the notion that you received what you have earned.
Not surprising, socialism (and the labor movement) lose more followers to capitalism every day.
besides socialism is built around the idea that everyone should be treated equally. Capitalism is built around the notion that you received what you have earned.
Not surprising, socialism (and the labor movement) lose more followers to capitalism every day.
