southwind
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Yes and have yet to see anyone lose their job, permanently, unless it were drug or alcohol releated !
5TH week vacation coming back?
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Yes and have yet to see anyone lose their job, permanently, unless it were drug or alcohol releated !
Kev3188
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Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
...Or maybe you were too busy working all that OT you've mentioned while your co-workers were being displaced to notice it?
At any rate, none of that changes the reality that any decision the CRP comes to can be overruled by mgmt. In the end, DL employees truly have no recourse.
I sincerely hope you never find yourself in that spot, but if you do, I suspect you might change your tune- especially if you've been wrongly accused...
...Or maybe you were too busy working all that OT you've mentioned while your co-workers were being displaced to notice it?
At any rate, none of that changes the reality that any decision the CRP comes to can be overruled by mgmt. In the end, DL employees truly have no recourse.
I sincerely hope you never find yourself in that spot, but if you do, I suspect you might change your tune- especially if you've been wrongly accused...
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I have an idea. Why not "make a few calls" to the people you know in HR and answer my question. Here it is again if you don't remember;
How many employees are actually getting a fifth week of vacation back?
southwind
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Out of the 12 instances, where someone was walked out, 10 returned to work, the other 2 did not, failed drug test !
Sorry things are so crappy in your neck of the woods but, have an idea ! If you think things will be so much better with a union by your side, what's stopping you ?
Not gonna waste my time.
#1 Don't really care how many people get the 5th week back !
#2 Delta "DIDN'T" have to give it back !
Kev3188
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Like I said before; you not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It also doesn't change the fact that CRP/FIT/EIG are all false fronts designed to give the illusion of employee empowerment where none actually exists.
Considering that you came on here awhile ago talking proudly of "working OT out the a$$" while your coworkers were rolling their toolboxes out the door, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that you can't see the bigger picture.
It also doesn't change the fact that CRP/FIT/EIG are all false fronts designed to give the illusion of employee empowerment where none actually exists.
Considering that you came on here awhile ago talking proudly of "working OT out the a$$" while your coworkers were rolling their toolboxes out the door, I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that you can't see the bigger picture.
Kev3188
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Hey, you said it, not me...
You were either lying then, or you're lying now...
You were either lying then, or you're lying now...
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kev is there a time table for when dl brings back the 5th vacation week... and what does dl give in terms of vac weeks now for all employees
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Comes back for employees with 25 yrs. of continuous service in April of 2014, for use in the 2014-2015 vacation year (DL's vacation schedule doesn't run Jan.-Dec., but rather April- mar.)...
Currently caps at 4 weeks after 11 completed years of service...
Currently caps at 4 weeks after 11 completed years of service...
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just a reminder, DL employees have PPT that can be used for scheduled time off and can be used like vacation time... so the 5th week is really the sixth week plus 2 days for the highest seniority employees.
DL never gave more vacation time than 6 weeks, IIRC, and they didn't adjust the thresholds when incremental vacation levels began so DL employees actually have more vacation now than they did before, again assuming they don't use multiple sick days per year. DL doesn't allow employees to receive cash for their unused vacation time (and I don't know if any other airline does) but DL does allow employees to "cash out" their PPT if they don't use it.
DL also provides disability coverage for long-term illness which other carriers do not.
The correct assessment is that DL cut extensive sick time accumulation benefits for its employees in BK... for the average employee who uses less than 7 days sick time/year, they gained vacation and what they gained depended on where they were on the vacation scale.
DL never gave more vacation time than 6 weeks, IIRC, and they didn't adjust the thresholds when incremental vacation levels began so DL employees actually have more vacation now than they did before, again assuming they don't use multiple sick days per year. DL doesn't allow employees to receive cash for their unused vacation time (and I don't know if any other airline does) but DL does allow employees to "cash out" their PPT if they don't use it.
DL also provides disability coverage for long-term illness which other carriers do not.
The correct assessment is that DL cut extensive sick time accumulation benefits for its employees in BK... for the average employee who uses less than 7 days sick time/year, they gained vacation and what they gained depended on where they were on the vacation scale.
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Question. For Kev once again. Are the layoffs that everyone is discussing at DL or at NW? Are any of these layoffs after bankrupcy recovery?I have not read or heard of any layoffs post recovery. I understand from where you come from.your concern is what CAN happen if some manager fires someone for no cause.For DL people and I do know many in ACS and IFS there just is not a history of abuse of the system as DL people see it. It comes down to what faith you have in how DL is run. History vs what could happen. You will not convince anyone that has not seen these perceived dangers until it happens before their eyes.I do not understand why there is an argument here. You are pointing out a fear of what could happen and they are just telling their historical perspective.your both right. With a combined history we can only talk about combined history.when a NW pilot tells me how NW screwed him... I am sympathetic but unmoved. If he tells me how or if DL screwed him then he has my attention.MY history is you have to work hard to get fired at DL.
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DL connection and regional carrier employees.
No full-time non-managerial employees of Delta Air Lines have been laid off - PMDL or PMNW - since the merger but that is not to say that there have not been people terminated with cause.
meto's question was addressed to Kev and he deserves to have the opportunity to answer but since you, 700, jumped it, I will correct your statements.
I will validate your observation, meto, and also note that there are indeed significant safeguards and legal protections for workers who believe they are terminated w/o cause. Most significantly, if DL was really terminating employees w/o cause on a significant scale, there are plenty of organizations and governments that would take action.
Delta's Memphis job cuts are focused on customer service and cargo workers. They were laid out in a memo from Delta executives to workers on Tuesday. The memo said Delta would offer buyouts to some workers, and that there are other jobs available for those who remain.
http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/delta-dumps-memphis-hub-cuts-230-jobs-6C10206819
http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/delta-dumps-memphis-hub-cuts-230-jobs-6C10206819
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Every FT employee was offered a position elsewhere at DL or they could choose to take a package.
DL's cuts in capacity over the past several years have almost entirely come from regional carrier capacity. DL's mainline capacity has remained closer to flat; as the 717s and 739s begin service over the next few years, DL's guidance has been that mainline capacity will increase while regional carrier capacity decreases.
BTW, the Tuesday you refer to was not this week or even this month.
DL's cuts in capacity over the past several years have almost entirely come from regional carrier capacity. DL's mainline capacity has remained closer to flat; as the 717s and 739s begin service over the next few years, DL's guidance has been that mainline capacity will increase while regional carrier capacity decreases.
BTW, the Tuesday you refer to was not this week or even this month.
