AA CEO Horton says AA will trim bloated management ranks
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strikeforce
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Unless they cut 30 to 40 percent of management.....they're only cutting the ones they just hired within the last couple of years. Nothing new and nothing surprising here. AA has always bloated management right before layoffs....and then come out and say they're cutting management. Really????? Same goes for the rank & file. When it's all said & done.....AA will have the same number of management, support staff and overall employees that they had just a couple of years ago.
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IMHO, your VP & SRVP head count will not diminish. Get ready to loose your support staff first as AA aligns itself to minimum FAA requirements. With reduced support staff, how will AA maintain FAR145?
IRRC, UA gave up their STC certification due to loss of supporting staff and barely maintains their 145 cert.
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IRRC, UA gave up their STC certification due to loss of supporting staff and barely maintains their 145 cert.
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"... believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see."
Benjamin Franklin (original quote)
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Edgar Allan Poe - Graham's Magazine, November 1845.
Just read the story from Dallas Morning News. Executive V.P.s that retired (Ream. Reding, etc) have been replaced but their replacements are keeping the title of Senior Vice President. No mention of these Senior VPs replacements or their titles. Looks like more smoke and mirrors. The level of management that needs to disappear is either level 5 or 6 manager. Maybe both. Also saw something today where they created a director's position in the safety department. Same old stuff.
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I was looking for my supervisor all day and finally found out that they were at an Off-Site meeting. Maybe this explains it. Could be an interesting day at the base tomorrow...
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I'll believe it when I see it. When I was at Texaco, they announced that they were going to "right-size" my department--Information Technology, and that there would be no more than two levels of staff between the lowliest programmer and the General Manager of the department. The following day they issued a new org chart, and sure enough there were 13 fewer boxes in the management ranks. The day after that they laid off 13 programmers and put those displaced managers into those jobs with no cut in salary--just a change of title. Problem: Some of those managers had NEVER programmed, and the rest had not programmed in years.
If Horton is serious, good on him, but as I said at the beginning, I'll believe it when I see it.
Moi? Cynical? How could you say such a thing?
If Horton is serious, good on him, but as I said at the beginning, I'll believe it when I see it.
Moi? Cynical? How could you say such a thing?
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I wouldn't believe much of Horton's speech or the media... They are still hiring more managers here..
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We are seeing an in sourcing of Contract Supervisors in TUL. Employee ID carries a gray background,
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You guys are confusing "managers" with "management"....
You still have to move people, bags & cargo, and maintain the airplanes... As long as that's insourced, that means supervising the people doing it...
They're going to continue to hire supervisors & managers if there's attrition beyond a point that's manageable (no pun intended). So get over it. It ain't gonna change materially unless the station closes, flights get cut back, or something gets outsourced (i.e. stores, GSE, ramp, whatever).
What I see Horton taking aim on is the side of management directly related to policies & procedures, strategy, planning.... it's another world and another story altogether.
You still have to move people, bags & cargo, and maintain the airplanes... As long as that's insourced, that means supervising the people doing it...
They're going to continue to hire supervisors & managers if there's attrition beyond a point that's manageable (no pun intended). So get over it. It ain't gonna change materially unless the station closes, flights get cut back, or something gets outsourced (i.e. stores, GSE, ramp, whatever).
What I see Horton taking aim on is the side of management directly related to policies & procedures, strategy, planning.... it's another world and another story altogether.
Went to the terminal at JFK yesterday afternoon, there were 4 managers(supervisors) there, back when we had around 100 more mechanics at the station, a lot more flights, and operated out of two terminals, we had one, and not all the time either.
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We have 4 times the amount of management now,than in 1995...around the same number of departures...
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And what's changed since then, Chris?...
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, the level of supervision is being driven by amount of rhetoric & actions coming from your peers?
I suspect there's good reason behind the "behaviorally challenged" class at my kids' school having a 5:1 student:adult ratio while the honors class has a 25:1 ratio.
I've had direct reports who needed no supervision whatsoever, some who took up 10-20% of my time due to having to deal with the ramifications of what they did the day or week before, and a few who needed to be constantly watched to make sure they weren't burning the place down by accident...
Add enough of those into the mix in a place where you have a system (or a contract) where you can't fire people for being terminally stupid or "doing just enough not to get fired", and you get to the point where you have no choice but to add more supervisors.
In 1995, everyone held themselves more accountable, and there was also a higher level of trust with the local management. Both sides share the blame on how that's disintegrated, and it's going to take time to get back there.
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Boy E, for a guy that has No Skin in this game....maybe you do, you sure are quick to defend the actions of a bloated management team that has single handedly been screwing AA for years. There's 3 supervisors and 1 manager in the QA department to watch over 13 inspectors. The other day I worked a live trip and low and behold 3 supervisors.....3 supervisors E, showed up to find out what's going on.......they were walking over each other for info. I was laughing my arse off E. What a waste!
Your right, in the 90's the company held everyone accountable.....that's the way Crandall managed the place. Once Carty took over AA went down hill and it's been a spiral to BK ever since. You surely don't believe that people are going to go above and beyond for a management team that has raped it's employees....do you E???? It might be another 5 to 10 years before the employees begin to RECOVER the pay and benefits lost the past 9 years and probably 5 years of additional raping that's coming soon. Not too much enthusiasm to help AA at this point......that's unless they start by cleaning house of the management and TWU cancer. And, YOU really can't fault the employees for feeling that way, can you E?????
