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My World said:
I'll bet the laid off people at NWA were wishing the IAM was back.
NWA has laid off thousands of IAM workers too. Why would they want the IAM back?
 
Drip E. Kwill said:
Actually the furloughed personnel from both AMFA repped UAL and NWA do not see themselves returning to their airline. They were not furloughed because of traffic slowdown, they were furloughed due to their jobs going overseas and to 3rd party vendors in the US.

Most have already crosstrained to another profession, knowing their job is gone forever. Alas, even those AMFA organizers are gone...they sold their jobs down the road. Hey!...We have a 38% cap...yahoooooo...shoot up a flare! We showed them! *sarcasm of course*
The same goes for those formerly "system protected" TWU members who were laid off. The company has announced that they are not replacing those who are retiring or quitting.

In other words they have no place to come back to.

The fact is that most on the line are preparing to leave the industry if we do not get AMFA. Many have already started working other job.

The fact is that all the airlines have people in the street, even AA, the only airline that has SRPs, halkf paid holidays, one week of vacation, prefunding and every other concession they ever asked for. AA is, as far as I know, the only airline that pays union officials over $3 million a year. The fact is that the TWUs track record, as displayed by the graph has been one of consistant decline over a twenty year period. This period encompasses both bad times, as we have now, and boom times. Whats the excuse for twenty years of industry leading decline under TWU leadership?

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That depends on how you look at it. That $3.1 million got them over $600 million a year in savings! A 20000% return!!
 
Bob Owens said:
That depends on how you look at it. That $3.1 million got them over $600 million a year in savings! A 20000% return!!
We're still waiting on proof of the paid $3.1 million you keep talking about Bob. Not just what Bob says that makes it true!!! Come on buddy, give us something solid, tangible, that can without a doubt be proven!!! Your hypothetical nonsense regarding the Vermont Plan means nothing. You're just trying to spread more untruths to benefit your cause. Everyone knows that the company reimburses. There are a lot of union officials throughout the system Bob.

How's that investigation going that you got started with the DOL????? Wasn't there someone else you called and "told"???? Heard back from them yet????
 
twuer said:
We're still waiting on proof of the paid $3.1 million you keep talking about Bob. Not just what Bob says that makes it true!!! Come on buddy, give us something solid, tangible, that can without a doubt be proven!!! Your hypothetical nonsense regarding the Vermont Plan means nothing. You're just trying to spread more untruths to benefit your cause. Everyone knows that the company reimburses. There are a lot of union officials throughout the system Bob.

How's that investigation going that you got started with the DOL????? Wasn't there someone else you called and "told"???? Heard back from them yet????
Well I gave you proof but you choose to ignore it.

Are you denying that the company is paying the local Presidents, and others, their 40 hour paycheck while doing UB and not getting reimbursed from the locals?

Its a simple question. You are asking for proof, I wont ask you to prove its not true, all I'm asking is for you to either admit it or deny it. So what is it? Is it true or not?

As far as the "hypothetical" figures, you still have not clarified which figures were "hypothetical and which were real. Are you saying that the TWU used hypathetical numbers while giving real concessions? That the needs of the company could have been much much less but we gave away around 25% of our compensation for five years based upon "hypothetical" numbers that are not real or reliable? That those figures given by the company, that the TWU accepted and presented to the members as facts were imaginary? That as it may turn out the company did not need as much as the TWU demanded that we give? That the TWU mislead the members and had them give concessions to the company that,as in Jim Littles words, were "more than adequate"? So tell me, why would the TWU be so hard bent on having us give up more than what was "adequate", based upon "hypothetical" figures? Could it be that they were paid off? Can you think of any other reason why a union would choose to stand down and give the company "more than adequate" concessions based upon "hypothetical" figures?

Yes I did hear back from the DOL. They said the information I sent them definiately indicated a breach of Taft-Hartley and they were forwarding it over to the OIG. You know how things go with the government, things take time. They were very interested in the fact that Bobby Gless was not reported on the LM-2. Do you have any explanation for that?
 
I have been anxiously awaiting the answer to Bobs question twuer. Have you decided not to answer or what???
 
It is far better for twuer to bury his head in the sand and deny that the TWU is a company union and compensation for the screw the members deeds come in several forms.

We have unelected members that have never once reported to their work areas for an assignment, and yet they also get their 80 hour paycheck every two weeks.

In other words, there are on the property company union men getting paid for not working on aircraft, or even doing anything for that matter.

Just ask Kevin Hammack when was the last time he reported to Dock 4A to do some work. This unelected company union man has never reported to the dock since the day he was assigned there.

And to top that, not one elected TWU officer ever reports to work either. They just walk the base or sit in the grievance office, in addition to coming and going as they please on and off the base.

I think Tulsa has to be the system leader in AA unreimbursed expense for TWU representatives.
 
Kevin Hammack did show up on 4A the other day, but supervision ran him off.

He was campaigning for local union office on company time.

I saw all of this from my Crew Chief position where I had my feet on the desk.
 
Buck said:
Kevin Hammack did show up on 4A the other day, but supervision ran him off.

He was campaigning for local union office on company time.

I saw all of this from my Crew Chief position where I had my feet on the desk.
He was pretty stupid showing up there because that is an AMFA dock!!!!!
 
Radman said:
He was pretty stupid showing up there because that is an AMFA dock!!!!!
Stupid??? Why would it be stupid?? I guess Hammack has more balls then you do huh Radman???!!!

Not all of those amfa supporters on 4A are as supportive as you think!! Think about that one!!!
 
OK........

Not all of those TWU supporters on 4A are as supportive as you think!! Think about that one!!!

What does that mean?
 
Buck said:
OK........

Not all of those TWU supporters on 4A are as supportive as you think!! Think about that one!!!

What does that mean?
We all know that most of the wannabes are on 4A Buck. Isn't that where you are? I was merely pointing out a fact to Mr. Radman. Their amfa support is not as strong as you think it is!! Not all of them, but some. Geez, are you always this slow?? Well of course you are. Aren't you the one who sits at his crew chief's desk with his feet up?? :shock:
 
Bill said:
Stupid??? Why would it be stupid?? I guess Hammack has more balls then you do huh Radman???!!!

Not all of those amfa supporters on 4A are as supportive as you think!! Think about that one!!!
I just left that dock a few months ago!!! I know who is who is not and who is iffy about AMFA on that dock. The VAST majority are AMFA. You know it is real funny that the dock I am on now is over 95% AMFA (and they are solid). Ewe need to wake up bill because ewe have been eating to much SHEEP food. Ewe may want to check in with your herder. By the way ewe is pronounced just like the word YOU.
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