Aa Mechanic Pay Vs Cpi
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In 2003 Chuck Schalk and I attended the COPE Convention. One of the speakers was an NMB official who spoke of the need of stopping AMFA. Its seems that the TWU, or the TTD was instramental in getting this person the appointment. I dont recall the guys name but Chuck might have it, we should make sure that this guy has no input into the process, we should remember all the BS that went on at NWA and UAL.Decision 2004 said:You better read Art Luby's latest NMB submission. It defines begging for mercy.
I have no doubt that the TWUs lawyers will put the squeeze on this guy. When we had the lawsiut they tried to sqeeze our Local by bringing up the time the company sought to get a restraining order on our local.
Still the TWU avoids this topic, at least they dont post on it.
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Bob, why doesn't the twu faithful answer?
Is there really such a thing as TWU faithful here at AA?Ken MacTiernan said:
It seems to me that the only ones that have something good to say about the TWU are some of those on the TWU payroll. In other words they are doing what they are paid to do, like a whore.
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The TRUTH strikes again!Bob Owens said:
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Bob, by "twu faithful" I meant those on the twu payroll or those hoping for some type of reward for following a coffin down a Tulsa street. These are the only people who support the twu and erosion of our profession.Bob Owens said:
Still silence from the TWU.
Most peoples main purpose for working is for pay. Pay to support their families. Millions of workers do this, they sell their labor to someone else to support their families.
When we got our jobs at AA we did so with our own merit. The TWU did nothing to help us. In this industry most unions are merely brokers. An organization that is hired to perform a service, they dont have to live with the results however they normally do have a fiduciary duty to those they represent. The TWU has failed in this respect. Proof of this is how while we recieved pay cuts, Jim Little and other TWU officials recieved pay raises (see LM-2).They did not help us get the training, the experience or the job and they do not have to live with the things that they negotiate for us.
What is even more troubling is that our brokers management (TWU officials), have been recieving $3.1 million a year from the opposing party (the company). Clearly this represents a huge conflict of interest.
Clearly we have a broker who has been compromised.
Why do we have unions? We have them as a means of joining together so that we can either maintain or enhance our pay and working conditions. This graph shows us how the TWU has lived up to this objective. Clearly they have not. Its also interesting to note that while our pay and working conditions haave deteriorated the TWU itself has prospered, more than tripling its dues revenue from AMR.
So not only have TWU officials prospered (through raises and kickbacks from the company) but the organization has also prospered. All this has come at our expense.
Clearly we need a new union.
Most peoples main purpose for working is for pay. Pay to support their families. Millions of workers do this, they sell their labor to someone else to support their families.
When we got our jobs at AA we did so with our own merit. The TWU did nothing to help us. In this industry most unions are merely brokers. An organization that is hired to perform a service, they dont have to live with the results however they normally do have a fiduciary duty to those they represent. The TWU has failed in this respect. Proof of this is how while we recieved pay cuts, Jim Little and other TWU officials recieved pay raises (see LM-2).They did not help us get the training, the experience or the job and they do not have to live with the things that they negotiate for us.
What is even more troubling is that our brokers management (TWU officials), have been recieving $3.1 million a year from the opposing party (the company). Clearly this represents a huge conflict of interest.
Clearly we have a broker who has been compromised.
Why do we have unions? We have them as a means of joining together so that we can either maintain or enhance our pay and working conditions. This graph shows us how the TWU has lived up to this objective. Clearly they have not. Its also interesting to note that while our pay and working conditions haave deteriorated the TWU itself has prospered, more than tripling its dues revenue from AMR.
So not only have TWU officials prospered (through raises and kickbacks from the company) but the organization has also prospered. All this has come at our expense.
Clearly we need a new union.
Still the TWU will not respond.
One of the things the TWU likes to throw out is that all the work groups, including the pilots gave concessions.
However the concessions given were different.
The pilots took an immediate 25% paycut, but thats it. At the same time however the pilots were relieved of the fine they owed the company, around $25 million or around $2000 per head. That already knocks it down to 24%, plus they won the SCOPE greievance, another $23 million, down to 23%.
In the first year the pilots snap back another 9%. Over the life of the agreement they snap back another 12%, so in 2009 they will have recovered all but 2% of their concessions, not counting inflationary losses.
The pilots were given 1026 shares, today worth around $12,000, so over the life of the agreement they will have recovered pretty much everything.
The pilots still have reason to be mad. They will in effect not only have taken pay cuts but have made no progress over 5 years. They will in effect be frozen at 2001 rates.
How do we compare?
Over the life of this agreement our pay will snap back a total of 7.5%. That means at the end of the agreement we will still be in the hole for 10% in wages plus all the other losses which would be around another 8%. So we will still be in the hole for around 15%, not counting inflationary losses which historically would be around another 15%.
While the pilots will see themselves frozen we will in fact be suffereing from a real decrease of around 30%. More than double that of the pilots.
The pilots are in a stand alone craft union. Our AFL-CIO affiliated TWU got us a deal that is twice as bad as the pilots.
Isnt it time we got a new union?
One of the things the TWU likes to throw out is that all the work groups, including the pilots gave concessions.
However the concessions given were different.
The pilots took an immediate 25% paycut, but thats it. At the same time however the pilots were relieved of the fine they owed the company, around $25 million or around $2000 per head. That already knocks it down to 24%, plus they won the SCOPE greievance, another $23 million, down to 23%.
In the first year the pilots snap back another 9%. Over the life of the agreement they snap back another 12%, so in 2009 they will have recovered all but 2% of their concessions, not counting inflationary losses.
The pilots were given 1026 shares, today worth around $12,000, so over the life of the agreement they will have recovered pretty much everything.
The pilots still have reason to be mad. They will in effect not only have taken pay cuts but have made no progress over 5 years. They will in effect be frozen at 2001 rates.
How do we compare?
Over the life of this agreement our pay will snap back a total of 7.5%. That means at the end of the agreement we will still be in the hole for 10% in wages plus all the other losses which would be around another 8%. So we will still be in the hole for around 15%, not counting inflationary losses which historically would be around another 15%.
While the pilots will see themselves frozen we will in fact be suffereing from a real decrease of around 30%. More than double that of the pilots.
The pilots are in a stand alone craft union. Our AFL-CIO affiliated TWU got us a deal that is twice as bad as the pilots.
Isnt it time we got a new union?
Well this thread has been here for over 3 months yet the TWU still do not want to address how this graph displays their track record.
The facts speak for themselves. We can clearly see what the TWU has done for us, and will likely continue to do for our careers and profession if we stay with them-DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.
The facts speak for themselves. We can clearly see what the TWU has done for us, and will likely continue to do for our careers and profession if we stay with them-DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.
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