Aa Mechanic Pay Vs Cpi

[Oneflyer]

Comparing the CPI with mechanics pay rate is a distortion, because it ignores the reality of the industry. An accurate comparison would be to payrates vs. average ticket prices.

 

[Hackman]

Comparing the CPI with mechanics pay rate is a distortion, because it ignores the reality of the industry. An accurate comparison would be to payrates vs. average ticket prices.

[post="249055"][/post]​

You want to see some real distortion? How about mechanic payrates vs. upper management payrates (bonuses included)? It would have to be a large sheet of graph paper.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Comparing the CPI with mechanics pay rate is a distortion, because it ignores the reality of the industry. An accurate comparison would be to payrates vs. average ticket prices.

[post="249055"][/post]​

Why not, management pukes like you do it all the time. Of course your theory is CPI plus a couple percent plus a couple of million in bonus.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Are you gay? Was that the best come on you have?..now...go Buck off!

[post="190757"][/post]​

C'mon guys. Show a little class.

Please.

 

[Hackman]

C'mon guys. Show a little class.

Please.

[post="249088"][/post]​

I think Nighty went back into management last year. He hasn't been here for months.

 

[Buck]

Comparing the CPI with mechanics pay rate is a distortion, because it ignores the reality of the industry. An accurate comparison would be to payrates vs. average ticket prices.

[post="249055"][/post]​

might as well throw in fuel prices, oh wait a minute that does not effect ticket prices...

 

[Strake]

C'mon guys. Show a little class.

Please.

[post="249088"][/post]​

Class? You mean like the class illustrated in the following post by "Hackman"?

".......AND you need to pull that tampax out Nitebitch, your attracting flys."


Link to post

 

[mweiss]

might as well throw in fuel prices, oh wait a minute that does not effect ticket prices...

[post="249127"][/post]​

Sure it does. Who says it doesn't?

BTW, "effect," when used as a verb, means "to cause to come into being." FWIW, Merriam-Webster says that it's a particularly confusing pair (affect/effect), because of their cross uses when going between noun and verb. They reference confusion between the two dating back to the 18th century. So at least you're in good company. 😉

 

[Bob Owens]

Comparing the CPI with mechanics pay rate is a distortion, because it ignores the reality of the industry. An accurate comparison would be to payrates vs. average ticket prices.

[post="249055"][/post]​

So using your logic people like Dell and those who work for him at Dell should see their incomes decline because the price of computers is going down, even if the company is making greater profits?

Its not a distortion, its a fair benchmark to see if living standards are declining.

Your comparasion on the other hand is way out of hand because one thing has nothing to do with the other. Several factors besides labor affect ticket prices and ticket prices are not the only thing that affects profitability. According to your logic SWA workers should be among the lowest paid workers because their ticket prices are the lowest. Your theory does not take into account productivity, effeciency or profitability, only ticket prices.

The fact is that workers have absolutely no influence on what airlines decide to charge for tickets so there is no basis for a comparsion such as yours. If you want to use productivity vs wage progression or inflation vs ticket prices then you have something of use but wages vs ticket prices are two completely unrelated subjects.

 

[eolesen]

I'll agree that trying to tie wages to tickets is somewhat useless.

Now, if you want to tie wages to profitability, I think you'll find a lot of people who agree with this. There are lots of businesses in the US who have 50% or more of one's salary being based on variable compensation. I know of a few people who have upwards of 80% of their income coming from commissions, bonuses, profit sharing, etc...

Bob, Buck or Dave will no doubt argue that the working man has no impact on a company's profitability, which is dead wrong, since every one of us has the ability to reduce costs or increase revenue.

It can be something as huge as landing a corporate contract worth millions in revenue or re-using DC10 and MD11 coffee makers, or as mundane as getting people to turn off the lights in an empty room, making fewer photocopies, or resisting the urge to outfit your home office with AA-purchased pens, paperclips, and Post-It pads.....

But I suspect it will be a cold day in Hell before we see unions embracing the concept of a significant variable compensation component in their contracts.

 

[Buck]

Sure it does. Who says it doesn't?

BTW, "effect," when used as a verb, means "to cause to come into being." FWIW, Merriam-Webster says that it's a particularly confusing pair (affect/effect), because of their cross uses when going between noun and verb. They reference confusion between the two dating back to the 18th century. So at least you're in good company. 😉

[post="249160"][/post]​

Thanks for the grammar lesson.

I just said it doesn't, but I won't attempt to teach you to read.

If the price of jet fuel was figured into the price of an airline ticket, then ticket prices would flucuate with the price of the fuel. As you know this does not happen. Fuel is hedged yes, however gasoline is too. Any increase in the price of jet fuel is absorbed by the airlines to keep ticket prices low. Instead of charging the customer what it costs at the time of purchase, the airlines in this so called deregulated industry price fix their way to bankruptcy and then attack wages and benefits as a solution.


FM - I believe you stated that you are not a employee in the airline industry?

You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what any one of does to further our professions or to assist the company we work for in improving its position in the industry.

 

[eolesen]

FM - I believe you stated that you are not a employee in the airline industry?

You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to what any one of does to further our professions or to assist the company we work for in improving its position in the industry.

[post="249203"][/post]​

I've never stated that, Buck. I'm definitely inside -- 17 years with AMR next month, and I've been working in the industry since 1986. So, I think it's fair to say that I have an idea of what I'm talking about as it relates to your situation, even if I don't agree with your viewpoint.

 

[MCI transplant]

I've never stated that, Buck. I'm definitely inside -- 17 years with AMR next month, and I've been working in the industry since 1986. So, I think it's fair to say that I have an idea of what I'm talking about as it relates to your situation, even if I don't agree with your viewpoint.

[post="249219"][/post]​

<_< Just 1986 !Hell! I've been in the industry since the late 1960's! But who am I? "Just another one of a.a.'s red headed step children!" 😛

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< I know! I know! "Child", really ain't the right word for it!!!! 😉

 

[mweiss]

I just said it doesn't, but I won't attempt to teach you to read.

Yeah, but how about someone who looks at the big picture instead of individual data points?

If the price of jet fuel was figured into the price of an airline ticket, then ticket prices would flucuate with the price of the fuel.

And they do. You're just missing that one signal in the noise of hundreds of other signals in the pricing.

Any increase in the price of jet fuel is absorbed by the airlines to keep ticket prices low.

And your evidence is...?

Instead of charging the customer what it costs at the time of purchase, the airlines in this so called deregulated industry price fix their way to bankruptcy and then attack wages and benefits as a solution.

You and Bob Owens must be cut from the same mold. He makes the same claim. Do you have any evidence? He didn't.

I've seen the evidence to the contrary.