ABC Spills beans about covert action in Iran

[local 12 proud]

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"Dude", .....Who should we SHOOT first,

The MESSAGE,....or the messenger ?

NH/BB's

Lets start with all of the above!

 

[local 12 proud]

Gee, I wonder who tipped them off? :blink:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275696,00.html

 

[Garfield1966]

Gee, I wonder who tipped them off? :blink:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275696,00.html

As 777 said earlier, what makes you think any of it is true? Who knows if there are spooks on the ground? Who knows if Iran found anything? Who cares? The governments are playing games with people lives, and no one seems to give a rats ass. The media is manipulated by governments all the time. Some times with the knowledge of the media, sometimes with out.

You seem to have this impression that our government, or any government for that matter has its peoples interests as their main concern. How quaint.

 

[local 12 proud]

As 777 said earlier, what makes you think any of it is true? Who knows if there are spooks on the ground? Who knows if Iran found anything? Who cares?

Well we already know you don't!

The governments are playing games with people lives, and no one seems to give a rats ass. The media is manipulated by governments all the time. Some times with the knowledge of the media, sometimes with out.

...so the media is just a pawn in all this? I think the 'Freedom of Press' is doing more harm than good in our War effort.

You seem to have this impression that our government, or any government for that matter has its peoples interests as their main concern. How quaint.

Well unlike your view of our government, I happen to set our version apart and above all the rest.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Now go burn your flag!

 

[Garfield1966]

Wow, freedom of the press is a threat to the war on terror? That is the most amazing thing I have seen you write to date. Do you have any proof or is this just a theory you have come up with on your own? As far as I am concerned the press is the only thing keeping Cheney and all the other crooks in government in line. Do you think the troops would have received body armor had the press not raised a stink about it? As Rummy said, you fight with what you have, not what you want. Amazing that now all of a sudden we have what the troops want ... at least for some of them.

The press publishes something that is leaked (possibly intentionally) and now they are a threat. Do you know for a fact that Cheney did not leak the info intentionally as 777 said in order to make them paranoid? Would your opinion change if it was? You must really be pissed at Cheney and Libby for leaking a CIA operatives name huh?

Do you honestly believe that the government does not leak info intentionally?

 

[777 fixer]

Gee, I wonder who tipped them off? :blink:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275696,00.html

Do you believe everything that the Iranian government says?

Does anybody really think what appeared on that ABC news web site led to this supposed "uncovering" of spies in Iran? If you do all I can say is that you are incredibly naive.

My guess is that two things have happened. One the Iranian government saw what was appearing in the Western press and decided to make it look like they are one step ahead of the "great satan". Which means they probably found some scape goats for a show trial. Or they are just saying this and don't have anybody in custody. Second possibility is that they do have somebody as a result of a long term investigation and the timing is a coincidence.

Dictatorships all have one thing in common. They see "enemies of the people" everywhere, even when there are none. And the ironic thing is the harder they look the more the people will turn against them.

 

[local 12 proud]

Does'nt matter if ABC leaked info about US secret ops designed to destabilize a Madman?

At least you guys are clear and up front about which side your on! :down:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070527/D8PD0JUG0.html

 

[777 fixer]

Does'nt matter if ABC leaked info about US secret ops designed to destabilize a Madman?

At least you guys are clear and up front about which side your on! :down:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070527/D8PD0JUG0.html

Don't ever question my patriotism or loyalty just because I commit the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with the likes of you. Having spent four years active duty and another six in the reserves I think I’ve proven my "loyalty".

It seems to be SOP for certain people to call people names and question the patriotism of those that have another view point. Tells me that they really have nothing intelligent to say.

I'll ask again, do you believe everything the Iranian government tells you? A simple yes or no will suffice. Another thing, do you really think that report on ABC led to the arrest of these "spies" in Iran? Or that they actually exist in the first place. Or is it possible this whole thing was cooked up, like I said before, by the Iranian government to make it appear they outsmarted the "great satan".

Reading that article I could not find anything linking that ABC report to the capture of anybody. It appears that in typical heavy handed fashion a dictatorship went out and arrested innocent people.

 

[local 12 proud]

You nor I either one can know for certainty what roll the leak played if any, its the simple fact that it WAS Leaked that makes it Treasonous. Do Governments lie? of course they do and thats exactlly why covert operations are meant to be Secret and by ABC announcing to the World and to the Iranian Government specifically They have essentially placed lives at a greater risk.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=55888

 

[777 fixer]

You nor I either one can know for certainty what roll the leak played if any, its the simple fact that it WAS Leaked that makes it Treasonous. Do Governments lie? of course they do and thats exactlly why covert operations are meant to be Secret and by ABC announcing to the World and to the Iranian Government specifically They have essentially placed lives at a greater risk.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=55888

So far all you have done is rant and rave and post links to news releases that show no evidence to support your claim. To top it off then you post an editorial from worldnetdaily. Are you not capable of independent thought? Do you need someone to tell you how to think?

Now let’s try and go over this logically. This report first appears on ABC. Do you think the Iranians actually went out and found honest to goodness spies because of a report on ABC? A report mind you that did not give and specific details. Or is it more likely that the Iranians saw this and knowing that in the age of instant information it would eventually appear on computer screens in Iran. Therefore they wanted to show everyone that they are watching and not to get any bright ideas.

Think about it, so far the only people arrested are some Iranian-Americans in Iran on business or visiting relatives. As I said before dictorships are very good at finding enemies where there are none. Along with extracting false confessions. So if you see a press release saying that Iran has gotten "confessions" be a bit suspicious.

Here's a suggestion, try cracking open a history book or two. One book in particular you might want to read is Guests of the Ayatollah by Mark Bowden. He's the guy who wrote Blackwawk Down. It gives the history of the hostage crisis along the some up to date commentary. It also gives you an insight of the mindset of the current Iranian government.

 

[Garfield1966]

You nor I either one can know for certainty what roll the leak played if any, its the simple fact that it WAS Leaked that makes it Treasonous. Do Governments lie? of course they do and thats exactlly why covert operations are meant to be Secret and by ABC announcing to the World and to the Iranian Government specifically They have essentially placed lives at a greater risk.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=55888

Then there is the possibility that the info was leaked intentionally by the US to make the Iranians more paranoid.

Nah... much easier to to just blame ABC and call it a day. How pathetic.

 

[delldude]

Then there is the possibility that the info was leaked intentionally by the US to make the Iranians more paranoid.

Nah... much easier to to just blame ABC and call it a day. How pathetic.

I'll give you some latitude here Gar.....we are not privy to Intel for one....it is a known fact that DOD uses the media for many false follies..in fact Stormin' Norman pulled a couple on Saddam the first time by reporting on CNN various falsehoods and again DOD did in Iraq II by making much adieu over Turkey not letting us attack from the north,(which I found upsetting) and later it was reported that in fact we did have troops attacking in the north desert.I read a book a long time ago by a pissed off CIA agent named Phillip Agee and he stated there were three levels of info the CIA disseminates,white,black and clear if I remember correctly.It became apparent the gov't as a rule of thumb does leak BS.But if you all remember,we had boots on the ground in Iraq way before we went in and they were collecting targeting data,troop levels,etc.I know this has to have been done recently or at this time as US is concerned about Iranian nuclear capability.Sometime very soon,something will go down and it will be concise.Maybe big enough to cause a civil war in Iran?
I don't totally buy into this idea that our troops are that much over extended either.....

 

[Garfield1966]

I don't totally buy into this idea that our troops are that much over extended either.....

We both agree the goverenment lies through it's teeth. Sometimes to cover it's own ass, and other times to screw with the enemy. When these "lies" are accompanied by extended tours of duty and substantially reduced off duty times between tours, I would tend to think the lies are not lies. Also, usually, when someone in the government lies, there is someone else calling BS. This time, I have no one claiming otherwise.

Then look at the numbers involved, there are about 130k +/- sets of boots on the ground plus all the contractors. A simple bombing campaign (shock and Awe) will not be sufficient to neutralize Iran (it did not work on Iraq). Boots will be required on the ground and we do not have another 150K sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

IMO, those statements are not lies.

 

[777 fixer]

I'll give you some latitude here Gar.....we are not privy to Intel for one....it is a known fact that DOD uses the media for many false follies..in fact Stormin' Norman pulled a couple on Saddam the first time by reporting on CNN various falsehoods and again DOD did in Iraq II by making much adieu over Turkey not letting us attack from the north,(which I found upsetting) and later it was reported that in fact we did have troops attacking in the north desert.I read a book a long time ago by a pissed off CIA agent named Phillip Agee and he stated there were three levels of info the CIA disseminates,white,black and clear if I remember correctly.It became apparent the gov't as a rule of thumb does leak BS.But if you all remember,we had boots on the ground in Iraq way before we went in and they were collecting targeting data,troop levels,etc.I know this has to have been done recently or at this time as US is concerned about Iranian nuclear capability.Sometime very soon,something will go down and it will be concise.Maybe big enough to cause a civil war in Iran?

And all this means what? Does it prove that ABC compromised anybody? Does it prove that because of the report on ABC that the Iranians are looking any harder than a paranoid dictatorship would normally for "enemies of the people?

I noticed the part about the government leaking BS. Isn’t that what I have been trying to say? That this whole thing may very well be a ruse to get the Iranians ,as the saying goes, to "eat their young".

I don't totally buy into this idea that our troops are that much over extended either.....

A growing number of retired Army officers think otherwise. Including this one who wrote a report commissioned by the Pentagon.

< http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009829/ >

 

[delldude]

A growing number of retired Army officers think otherwise. Including this one who wrote a report commissioned by the Pentagon.

Keyword in your article is ARMY,not US troops.

Col. Lewis Boone, spokesman for Army Forces Command, which is responsible for providing troops to war commanders, said it would be “a very extreme characterizationâ€￾ to call the Army broken. He said his organization has been able to fulfill every request for troops that it has received from field commanders.

An ARMY of some 500,000 not counting the thousands of National Guard and Reserve soldiers now on active duty?
Sure they're rotating with extended tours and such...but thats what they signed up for.
I still say its a far reach claiming we're stretched too thin.You're in the ARMY to protect and defend...if it means extended tours,thats the job.

Last I heard they claim to be able to conduct two major campaigns(Wars).....with an all volunteer ARMY.