AFA and DElta Flight Attendants

[FlyDeMetrius]

Is the organizating still going on or have AFA given up on DAL Flight Attendants

 

[TheDog2004]

I think AFA has wasted enough dough trying to get the Delta FA's dues.

But to answer your question the AFA was told no a while back.

 

[aislehopper]

Is the organizating still going on or have AFA given up on DAL Flight Attendants

They still have a core group that is circulating cards, but mostly they confine their activities to whining on their jointtogether list serv.

I expect that once afa-CWA successfully raids PFAA, Pat Friend will turn her attention back to us.

see afa-CWA sponsored organizing site and Delta Flight Attendant anti afa site

 

[LCC_#1]

They still have a core group that is circulating cards, but mostly they confine their activities to whining on their jointtogether list serv.

I expect that once afa-CWA successfully raids PFAA, Pat Friend will turn her attention back to us.

see afa-CWA sponsored organizing site and Delta Flight Attendant anti afa site

Now without a big arguement breaking out, just let me say that I am 100% against AFA trying to reorganize DAL F/A's. They made up their mind and it should be respected.

BUT, I think it is unfair to assume a big victory against AFA from the anti-afa website. Look at the day and months of voting...August 2001- Feb. 2002. Do you REALLY think anyone had a stomach for ANY kind of election when the industry quickly went to hell in a handbasket within the first 2 hours of the working day Sept. 11?

 

[john john]

just let me say that I am 100% against AFA trying to reorganize DAL F/A's. They made up their mind and it should be respected.

It is always good to run a union campaign when your company files chapter 11 and screws their employees and upper management is still untouched and one employee group negotiate there self a benefit and pay raise contract that they can all vote on.

 

[aislehopper]

I believe that the desire to have the afa was never really there for the majority of us. That afa campaign was more of an afa Int'l. campaign and less of a Delta flight attendant campaign. Remember that the afa took eight years and millions of dollars just to get to the point where there was a vote. The afa also paid to have OAL flight attendants in our concourses and calling us at home.

On the delta flight attendant side, IMHO, the Delta afa activists pestered the rest of us to the point where many sent in cards just so they would be left alone.

Regarding 911, the Pat Friend afa spin team said that Management used 911 to scare Delta flight attendants. That is one of the elements that they used to explain the afa loss to the afa membership. However, I think that the afa orginizing department's lack of skill had more to do with it. Although in fairness, many of us felt that the company did a fair job of handling us right after 9-11. This did erode some of the afa's support.

I believe that the reasons other than 9-11 are why the afa lost. When you consider that millions of dollars, the years, and the man hours that the afa expended with no results, it is a big defeat for the afa organizing department and victory for those who did not support it.

If you are interested in the current campaign, you can go to the afa website and join the list serv.Subscribe

If you go to the NMB site or the deltafa.org site, you can read the interference ruling and see what the nmb thought about any interference.afa interference charges

 

[aislehopper]

It is always good to run a union campaign when your company files chapter 11 and screws their employees and upper management is still untouched and one employee group negotiate there self a benefit and pay raise contract that the can all vote on.

I once read a statistic that said that groups were less likely to organize during a down economy. DL's part of the economy is way down.

 

[john john]

I once read a statistic that said that groups were less likely to organize during a down economy. DL's part of the economy is way down.

It worked for US Airways ramp/customers service agents and dispatchers all three organize because of the downturn in the airlines and union groups got benefit and pay raise and less pay and benefit cuts and American West agents organize because of the same thing

 

[deltaflyboy]

It is always good to run a union campaign when your company files chapter 11 and screws their employees and upper management is still untouched and one employee group negotiate there self a benefit and pay raise contract that they can all vote on.

But our upper management has not remained untouched..

--Since January 2003 Delta has eliminated 35% of its upper management staff

--35% pay reduction for CEO, 25% pay reduction for Officers and 19% pay reduction for Directors..

--Upper management pension plan frozen when frontline employees were switched over to cash balance plan

--No current Delta Officer or Director has any annual or long-term incentives (bonuses), retention plan, special years of service guarantees or employment contracts

--Delta's CEO pay is 87% below the industry average, Delta's top four executives (excluding CEO) are 55% below the airline industry

The pilots got an industry leading contract prior to 9-11 and are currently voting on a contract that will put them middle of the road with their peers, they will not the highest nor the lowest paid...