American 587 No Accident?

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Montreal man downed U.S. Plane, CSIS told


'Farouk the Tunisian' involved, al-Qaeda say, but officials insist crash was accidental

Stewart Bell
National Post


August 27, 2004


A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.

Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.

full report here--http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a4f777f9-958a-4538-9c71-

 

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The original URL seems to have a bug..

Here's the entire article, from the Canadian National Post.
Montreal man downed U.S. Plane, CSIS told
'Farouk the Tunisian' involved, al-Qaeda say, but officials insist crash was accidental

Stewart Bell
National Post


Friday, August 27, 2004



A captured al-Qaeda operative has told Canadian intelligence investigators that a Montreal man who trained in Afghanistan alongside the 9/11 hijackers was responsible for the crash of an American Airlines flight in New York three years ago.

Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents were told during five days of interviews with the source that Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen also known as Farouk the Tunisian, had downed the plane with explosives on Nov. 12, 2001.

The source claimed Jdey had used his Canadian passport to board Flight 587 and "conducted a suicide mission" with a small bomb similar to the one used by convicted shoe bomber Richard Reid, a "Top Secret" Canadian government report says.

But officials said it was unlikely Jdey was actually involved in the crash, which killed 265 people and is considered accidental. The fact that al-Qaeda attributed the crash to Jdey, however, suggests they were expecting him to attack a plane.

"We have seen no evidence of anything other than an accident here," said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. "There has been no evidence found, from what I can tell -- at least that's been relayed to us -- that there was any criminality involved here. It appears, at least the evidence we have, is that a vertical fin came off, not that there was any kind of event in the cabin."

Jdey, 39, came to Canada from Tunisia in 1991 and became a citizen in 1995. Shortly after getting his Canadian passport, he left for Afghanistan and trained with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to the 9/11 commission in the United States.

He recorded a "martyrdom" video, but was dropped from the 9/11 mission after returning to Canada in the summer of 2001. The planner of the World Trade Center attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, claims Jdey was recruited for a "second wave" of suicide attacks.

The FBI issued an alert seeking Jdey's whereabouts in 2002. John Ashcroft, the U.S. Attorney-General, told a news conference in May that Jdey was one of seven al-Qaeda associates "sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States."

The information on Jdey's alleged role in the plane crash is contained in a memo on captured Canadian al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Mansour Jabarah. The Canadian government memo was written in May, 2002, and was based on information provided by a "source of unknown reliability."

Jabarah is a 22-year-old from St. Catharines who allegedly joined al-Qaeda and convinced Osama bin Laden to give him a terror assignment. He was tasked with overseeing a suicide-bombing operation in Southeast Asia, but was caught and has since pleaded guilty in the United States.

The report, which was sent to the Philippine National Police intelligence directorate, recounts what Jabarah said he was told about the U.S. plane crash by Abu Abdelrahman, a Saudi al-Qaeda member who was working for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

"In discussions, Abu Abdelrahman mentioned AL QAIDA was responsible for the assassination of Massoud, the Northern Alliance leader," the report says. "According to the source, Abu Abdelrahman added that the 12 November 2001 plane crash (btb American Airlines flight 587) in Queens, New York was not an accident as reported in the press but was actually an AL QAIDA operation.

Abu Abdelrahman informed Jabarah that Farouk the Tunisian conducted a suicide mission on the aeroplane using a shoe bomb of the type used by Richard Reid .... 'Farouk the Tunisian' was identified from newspaper photographs as being identical to Abderraouf Jdey, a Canadian citizen who had resided in Montreal."

Jabarah was initially suspect of the claim about Jdey, but he later believed it after he saw the same information on a "mujahedin Web site," the report says.

 

[Man of the People]

Any acceptance of this new information by the company would possibly have a direct bearing on any potential lawsuits being filed, based on poor security. <_<

 

[777 fixer]

If it's on the internet it has to be true 🙄

Seriously, these nut jobs would take credit for the assasination of JFK if they thought it would make us sweet.

 

[Trip Confirmed]

Okay #4,
Don't let the fact that it's all over the news bother you.

I'm sure you're correct. Just internet nonsense.

But I found this post interesting.

Reply 35 - Posted by: caprine, 8/28/2004 759 AM

If this was an act of terrorism, then the 265 people who died aboard that flight are deserving of recognition as civilian casualties of war.
The families that were ripped apart are deserving of the same recognition afforded to the families of the victims of 9/11.


And the original article is now on the front page at Drudgereport.com, one of the most read sites in America.
Oh yeah, one more thing. The article came from the National Post, one of Canada's largest new sites.

But I'm sure it's just nonsense, as you say.

 

[Oneflyer]

Terrorist don't typically blow things up and then wait 3 years to tell anyone about it. It defeats the purpose of terrorism.

 

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I cannot believe someone just wrote that last post.

Now we know the the mind of a terrorist.

And have the same IQ too?

I've seen stupid, but that post may raise the bar.

That flight might have been called practice?

 

[j7915]

Okay #4,
Don't let the fact that it's all over the news bother you.

I'm sure you're correct. Just internet nonsense.

But I found this post interesting.

Reply 35 - Posted by: caprine, 8/28/2004 759 AM

If this was an act of terrorism, then the 265 people who died aboard that flight are deserving of recognition as civilian casualties of war.
The families that were ripped apart are deserving of the same recognition afforded to the families of the victims of 9/11.
And the original article is now on the front page at Drudgereport.com, one of the most read sites in America.
Oh yeah, one more thing. The article came from the National Post, one of Canada's largest new sites.

But I'm sure it's just nonsense, as you say.

[post="173606"][/post]​

And someday the National Enquirer will scoop the rest of the media and interview real little aliens.

 

[Oneflyer]

I cannot believe someone just wrote that last post.

What the hell do you mean?

 

[ITRADE]

Oneflyer is right on this one.

The entire premise of terrorism is that a terrorist can strike, demonstrate the ability to strike, and create fear in the targeted audience.

Al Qaeda has always readily claimed responsibility for the acts that it perpetrates: U.S. embassy bombings, Indonesia nightclub blasts, USS Cole, and 9/11.

Coming out three years after the fact and alleging, "Oh yeah, that was us," does nothing as most folks forget what happened last week.

 

[hp_fa]

I also agree.

 

[goingboeing]

It may come as a surprise to you but your government does not always tell you the truth.
The real truth about the 1995 OKC bombing and the mideast involvement still to this day has not been acknowledged by the government.
Read the book"The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis and it will make you madder than hell at the FBI for perpretrating a major cover-up of the mideast involvement.

The reason I brought this up is to point out that the government still hasn't told us everything about TWA 800 or AA 587.

I still wonder why the vertical stabilizer had such a clean break from the fuselage.[AA 587]

 

[mga707]

I still wonder why the vertical stabilizer had such a clean break from the fuselage.[AA 587]

[post="173951"][/post]​

Huh? Seems to me that the fact that the stab looked like it had been cut off cleanly with a giant knife is a huge indication that it WAS a mechanical failure rather than a terrorist action.

Seriously, people, get a grip. Every single plane crash was not caused by terrorists. There are still such things as accidents.

 

[LiveInAHotel]

Oneflyer is right on this one.

[post="173931"][/post]​

For the first time ever! Wow! Can you believe it?

 

[Bob Owens]

Terrorist don't typically blow things up and then wait 3 years to tell anyone about it. It defeats the purpose of terrorism.

[post="173610"][/post]​

Do you mean like Sept 11th? I dont recall any group ever claiming responsibility for it.

Has Al Queda claimed responsibility for any of their attacks against us?

I doubt the story is true because all the evidence points to the verticle stabilizer seperating from the airplane prior to the crash. He would have had a better chance selling that TWA 800 was a terrorist act, that blew up in flight and broke up the same way that Pan Ams Lockerbie did.