American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

This "transparency" issue doesn't bother me as it does you. I've mentioned on here before that the IAM has NEVER revealed pre-tentative agreement discussions.
I've known NC members, past and present, and know they have our best interest in mind.

The only problem that does exist is that the TWU and the IAM both have their own styles and ways that they do things. The new TWU takes more of a Guerilla Warfare approach where the IAM flows with a Business like acumen.

I’m sure the Company prefers the IAM way of doing Negotiations since it’s what they’re used to.

 

[dfw gen]

you have to be kidding me.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

So let me ask you two this; Above Bin says no concessions to the TWU side, with concessions on the IAM side. With that said; Isn't the 50% outsourcing from the 35% spend a concession? Or, are they about the same?? I ask this because I feel that having the word "spend" included changes things dramatically with the strike of a pen. Outsourcing 50% of maint and outsourcing 35% of maint "spend" could very easily equal the same or very close to it, right???





What exactly is coming there little weezal? Are you saying that "finally" this pathetic asso will have to start filling in the membership?? What is coming???

Perhaps I should have said the LAA side would be more likely to take the bait of financial improvement ans pass by the job losses and no IMPROVEMENT of health care.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

you have to be kidding me.

Responding to whom?

 

[swamt]

i understand that. but read B737 drivers post. about amfa countering southwest's attempt at negotiating with the membership. how they kept the membership updated consistently. THEY KNEW WHERE THEY STOOD. its not about amfa its about treating the membership like we matter. i have asked for information on ta'd articles for years now and all i heard is we cant tell you. or you get information from back room sources that is just plan wrong. why should you get inside information and someone else cant? the association is in the position it is in today because they take the membership and their concerns and opinions for granted. as a workforce maintenance can be focused and a good union support membership but we are divided because the association wants us divided. the association is more comfortable sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the membership.

Every union update, passes, counters and language changes are all on the AMFA national website. Weez knows this as so does the asso. they hate how well transparent AMFA really is with their membership. Believe me, our NC had to sign confidentiality papers on certain issues that the co exposed them to in order to get said information from the co. but this in way way shape or form any of the details that are passed back and forth at the table that has to do with words and language that will end up in a new contract agreement.
As I have said from the very beginning, this asso will leave their membership in the dark until T/A day. This part being brought out right now was by the co. NOT the asso. keeping their membership informed. Matter fact, the asso. is pissed off that the co. released all the detailed info. Now the asso has to deal with it all, OTHERWISE (if not for the co.) the membership would still be in the dark and more than likely still are on some issues not being revealed just as of yet either, wait for T/A day.

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Not that I care, but someone disagrees with a prior post. So you disagree that something doesn't bother me, or you disagree that the IAM NC never posted Negotiations, or you disagree that that I know that the NC has our best interest at heart?

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I just read something in the Seniority Article that certainly goes against what I’ve been accustomed to for the last 24 years.

So now someone will be able to become a CSM and retain all of their Seniority and come back into the Bargaining Unit if they wash out?

DEFINITELY not a TWU philosophy there. I’m sure the Company LOVES that language.

 

[MetalMover]

You tell me.....I pay approx $140 biweekly for family coverage of 90%. I pay a $40 copays to see a specialist, nothing more.
I have a family deductible of $450 max ($225 per individual) which also counts toward Out of Pocket max. Family Out of Pocket max is $3000 max ($1500 per individual)
AA plan is max 80% coverage for more money per paycheck. Specialist is copays PLUS 20% of the bill
Been to a specialist lately?

So it’s cheaper! By superior I thought you meant the doctors in the LUS plan are better than the LAA plan doctors. For a second there I thought all my doctors were rejects from the LUS plan.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok I just read something in the Seniority Article that certainly goes against what I’ve been accustomed to for the last 24 years.

So now someone will be able to become a CSM and retain all of their Seniority and come back into the Bargaining Unit if they wash out?

DEFINITELY not a TWU philosophy there. I’m sure the Company LOVES that language.

Can someone on the IAM side explain the philosophy to me since it’s your language we’re going to be adopting and needing to get used to.

Do you have a lot of people from the ranks taking a CSM spot because they have that protection to be able to leave the Union and drop back in down the line.

Do they at least have to continue to pay dues while they’re issuing discipline to Union Members?

 

[Bin Stretcher]

So it’s cheaper! By superior I thought you meant the doctors in the LUS plan are better than the LAA plan doctors. For a second there I thought all my doctors were rejects from the LUS plan.

I'm sure your doctors are all available fine it's all United Healthcare.
By superior I meant in cost and coverage(resulting in even lower costs).

 

[Bin Stretcher]

Can someone on the IAM side explain the philosophy to me since it’s your language we’re going to be adopting and needing to get used to.

Do you have a lot of people from the ranks taking a CSM spot because they have that protection to be able to leave the Union and drop back in down the line.

Do they at least have to continue to pay dues while they’re issuing discipline to Union Members?

I believe CSM's can return to Fleet within 2 yrs of leaving. They lose that time from a seniority perspective for bidding shifts and vacations. They do not pay dues but I do not know if they have to "catch up" or not upon returning.

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe CSM's can return to Fleet within 2 yrs of leaving. They lose that time from a seniority perspective for bidding shifts and vacations. They do not pay dues but I do not know if they have to "catch up" or not upon returning.

In the new language the Company posted I don’t read any time frame for when they can return if they want?

It states something about them being furloughed but Management doesn’t get furloughed, they get let go or fired. Furloughed is a Union word.

I can see how the language may encourage more knowledgeable CSM’s being on the Field and getting rid of all the pinheads is something I can support. Just not so sure how much I support the ship jumper having that lifeline?

CSM’s Fire Union Workers from time to time. From the point the leap is made IMO they can never be one of us ever again.

 

[conehead777]

You tell me.....I pay approx $140 biweekly for family coverage of 90%. I pay a $40 copays to see a specialist, nothing more.
I have a family deductible of $450 max ($225 per individual) which also counts toward Out of Pocket max. Family Out of Pocket max is $3000 max ($1500 per individual)
AA plan is max 80% coverage for more money per paycheck. Specialist is copays PLUS 20% of the bill
Been to a specialist lately?

Not that I care, but someone disagrees with a prior post. So you disagree that something doesn't bother me, or you disagree that the IAM NC never posted Negotiations, or you disagree that that I know that the NC has our best interest at heart?

i disagree about the iam having our best interest at heart that’s why the check mark. And I just had a hospital visit and surgery plus at home picc line antibiotics all that was a 100 percent covered all I’m out is the 400 ded and 2500 out of pocket. Yes your insurance may cost you less but ours covers my needs. Y’all got that cheaper insurance do to y’all had less top out pay. So you know how much the lack of holidays and holiday pay has cost us twu members. So sorry I’m not sympathetic to you at all. And sorry I hurt your feeling with red mark not .

 

[WeAAsles]

i disagree about the iam having our best interest at heart that’s why the check mark. And I just had a hospital visit and surgery plus at home picc line antibiotics all that was a 100 percent covered all I’m out is the 400 ded and 2500 out of pocket. Yes your insurance may cost you less but ours covers my needs. Y’all got that cheaper insurance do to y’all had less top out pay. So you know how much the lack of holidays and holiday pay has cost us twu members. So sorry I’m not sympathetic to you at all. And sorry I hurt your feeling with red mark not .

So are you trying to make a claim that all the Medications you take are what make you as stupid as you always come across?

You take the prize.

 

[ALUS78]

So are you trying to make a claim that all the Medications you take are what make you as stupid as you always come across?

You take the prize.

I get the feeling the union wont let this out for vote and for good reason in my opinion. It appears some are quick to throw some of their brothers under the bus for a few bucks not realizing next time around it could be them.I think MTC would pass despite all the nos in the breakroom.I think fleet wouldnt pass unless the sweetened the pot to say 33 and clarified some scope language Yup that would do it.Idont know if these proposals are subject to future negotiations