American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[MetalMover]

I'm sure your doctors are all available fine it's all United Healthcare.
By superior I meant in cost and coverage(resulting in even lower costs).

I know. It's called sarcasm.

 

[Kev3188]

I don't think anyone believes this is a TA which we will vote on. The next action should be the union showing their counter proposal. In full text form also.
A vote on anything is going to be a ways off.

+1

Why wouldn’t anyone want to see what both sides have on the table?

 

[WeAAsles]

Some folks deserve a second chance after they've realized the mistake they made.

Please don’t take offense but I think philosophically the IAM seems to be a little too Management friendly for my tastes. That proposal seems to be loaded with language that lets the CSM tell me what to do where in the TWU books we answer to ourselves (The Crew Chief)

“When and where so directed” = Management can tell me what to do.

And language that allows them to float in and out of our CBA doesn’t mean they’re getting a second chance, it means they have a lifeline. It almost encourages people to take the Management road knowing the repercussions are only the loss of a couple of bucks if they get knocked back.

I understand we had no choice on this Association and in life you need to learn to make the best of things (adapt) but I never thought the incorporation of the IAM language meant the TWU could lose its entire identity.

Ugh just the thought of some goofball know nothing CSM telling me what to do gives me the skeeves.

 

[WeAAsles]

Speaking of being transparency, WeAAz...I found a video of you at work! 🙂
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/hawaiian-airlines-baggage-handler-dances-for-passengers??bftw

Where the hell are all these dancing Baggage Handlers coming from? Is that another piece of IAM Contract language that I missed?

I don’t want to Dance.

 

[cltrat]

You should be worried about it , as should any TWU station. These idiot CSM,s they keep hiring in Clt are beyond stupid. I can guarantee you the average LAA cc will come unglued if they have to deal with all the chit I do.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW our little Local 568 poll now stands at 72 No’s, to 20 Yes’s. And on another Group page people have been tearing it apart since it came out.

 

[WeAAsles]

You should be worried about it , as should any TWU station. These idiot CSM,s they keep hiring in Clt are beyond stupid. I can guarantee you the average LAA cc will come unglued if they have to deal with all the chit I do.

So clrat I’m not over exaggerating here in that language then am I? And they’re hiring the same types (pinheads) here in MIA. But here we dominate them and they know it.

rat what’s the line on guys going into Management coming from the ranks? Do you have a lot of them?

And BTW the LUS way doesn’t even let any of these guys Manage even if they have the skills IMO. It’s all about Group think.

 

[MetalMover]

Where the hell are all these dancing Baggage Handlers coming from? Is that another piece of IAM Contract language that I missed?

I don’t want to Dance.

Haha! Be happy that is not a company proposal!

 

[WeAAsles]

Haha! Be happy that is not a company proposal!

I didn’t think I saw dancing in there. Saw just about everything else up to the paragraph where they insist and can check that I wear the AA Logo on my underwear.

 

[swamt]

Not that I care, but someone disagrees with a prior post. So you disagree that something doesn't bother me, or you disagree that the IAM NC never posted Negotiations, or you disagree that that I know that the NC has our best interest at heart?

I believe it was me disagreeing with this asso giving any kind of detailed updates about nego's. They have always just said this and that articles have been or not been T/Aed, never giving any details of any of the changes within the language.

 

[cltrat]

So clrat I’m not over exaggerating here in that language then am I? And they’re hiring the same types (pinheads) here in MIA. But here we dominate them and they know it.

rat what’s the line on guys going into Management coming from the ranks? Do you have a lot of them?

And BTW the LUS way doesn’t even let any of these guys Manage even if they have the skills IMO. It’s all about Group think.

Weez I’d guess of all the ones they have hired over the last couple years close to half are former agents in most cases.Usually sorry agents at that. One in particular was a sorry agent a worse Cc now she,s a manager and a chitty one at that

 

[swamt]

Oh so after you say the Mechanics like the deal and pass it by 80% they’re going to start a card drive to dump the group that got them what they like?

Holy chit where do you people come from? LMFBO.

Why not? That's exactly what we did when we fired the teamsters. It was right after the teamsters got us our first contract (after AMFA got the record one at NWA). We decided it would not be beneficial to fire them before the contract was done. Then we removed the teamsters in a record 2 week card drive, and never looked back.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez I’d guess of all the ones they have hired over the last couple years close to half are former agents in most cases.Usually sorry agents at that. One in particular was a sorry agent a worse Cc now she,s a manager and a chitty one at that

HALF!!!!!!!! Holy chit......

 

[cltrat]

HALF!!!!!!!! Holy chit......

Yep welcome to my world ,some jackass you didn’t respect as a worker is now asking about a minute delay.
You TWU fleet guys remember that if you’re thinking about voting away that language you guys have.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yep welcome to my world ,some jackass you didn’t respect as a worker is now asking about a minute delay.
You TWU fleet guys remember that if you’re thinking about voting away that language you guys have.

Well rat that language has already been TA’d so I guess it’s going to have to come along as part of the overall consideration I’m going to have to make when I finally do get to vote on the whole package.

Like I said. Philosophically it’s just something I’m going to have to get used to I guess.

We do have a few CC’s that should go Management here anyway. They don’t belong with us. We even have Super Crew Chief in our Station. The guy who won $10,000 going above and beyond. They even put his name up in lights on Jetnet. Dude is married to a CSM.