American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

There were no possible scenarios where all work groups could stay as presently are on OT.
Either: FT gets all OT first .....Lus pt concession
Pt gets pt OT .....LAA ft concession
CC on seperate list for CC OT .....change for LAA CC
CC stays on list with agents....change for LUS CC.
Can’t get around it.

That’s exactly what I meant Racer.

And not to put NYer or any of my other TWU peeps down but compromise is what I wanted to see in the JCBA when it comes out. I said a while back that the JCBA is where I’m going to make my REAL determination if the Association was a success or a failure.

If the JCBA slanted way too much in either direction TWU or IAM philosophically that’s a failure. Of course taking into account my assumption that maybe Management is more used to your language over ours so a little slanted was to be expected.

 

[NYer]

Again....we shouldn’t have to GIVE anything to KEEP CATERING. We KEPT catering because WE GAVE in the past.

Giving in the past doesn't protect you in the present.

If the focus stays on that then there could a missed opportunity to maximize a return or minimize a further loss.

If the airline is motivated to avoid Section 6, let's take advantage of it because the return may not get better but could certainly get worse as a third party gets involved.

 

[Buck]

I am looking for 401k Company Match Percent for the Flight Attendants

 

[NYer]

Arbitration/ grievance decision is Not the same thing as CBA ratification. I believec If the NC votes to bring an offer out for ratification they are saying that they recommend it. If they are at some point forced to bring one out that they would not have endorsed in the way of a Yay vote, they are saying they do not recommend it.
Telling members to decide for themselves without a recommendation for or against... is nothing more than riding the fence.

Elected representatives represent everyone. Each TA has its advantages and disadvantages and it affects each member differently.

The information should be given, the reasons for it being brought back and the consequences of a yes or a no vote shared. At that point we all move ahead with the process knowing the good, the bad and the ugly.

 

[NYer]

I am looking for 401k Company Match Percent for the Flight Attendants

You better hurry, they all go to 5.5% in December.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

I am looking for 401k Company Match Percent for the Flight Attendants

Go to Jetnet and search CBA. Read thru the APFA cba.

 

[WeAAsles]

I am looking for 401k Company Match Percent for the Flight Attendants

You edited. You said you want the FA Retirement.

https://www.apfa.org/images/jcba/122314/Section-26.pdf

 

[AANOTOK]

NYer, the majority of your answers are good answers, and very informative. Just because someone disagrees with it doesn't make it a bad answer or subject to childish ridicule.
Oh. and for the most part, they are presented with professionalism as well.

 

[cltrat]

Ok Rusty if you need to reference a cargo companies contract or some propaganda that the AA is floating that’s certainly not an offer and barely a proposal yet you’re ready to swallow it hook line and sinker without even reading it,then I guess I got nothing for you

Mark my words you’ll be wearing depends and crapping yourself before the IBT is ever on th property at AA
If you want a change maybe you need to look AMFA not the thieving teamsters

 

[Kev3188]

Have to love too how the Company distracts from us regaining any other lost work by going after work we already continue to own.

We get distracted by the Catering and Deicing ask and if they relent to back off on it we happily forget about anything else we may have proposed to recapture.

At least IMO that’s their simple game plan.

That plan keeps continuing to work, so why would they change it?

 

[WeAAsles]

That plan keeps continuing to work, so why would they change it?

This is not meant as any reference to our very own Forums favorite Charlie Brown. Any resemblance is purely coincidental.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Ok Rusty if you need to reference a cargo companies contract or some propaganda that the AA is floating that’s certainly not an offer and barely a proposal yet you’re ready to swallow it hook line and sinker without even reading it,then I guess I got nothing for you

Mark my words you’ll be wearing depends and crapping yourself before the IBT is ever on th property at AA
If you want a change maybe you need to look AMFA not the thieving teamsters

UAL is not a Cargo Company.

A brake and Tire Change is the same on a B-757 whether it has UPS or AA painted on the side. Same class and craft but huge difference in wages for years.

AMFA couldn't even follow the NMB rules and file for an election properly when the IBT filed with the NMB. AMFA is DEAD at AA. Rinky DINK Organization. I'll sit back and watch you keep beating your heads against a concrete wall.

 

[B737 driver]

UAL is not a Cargo Company.

A brake and Tire Change is the same on a B-757 whether it has UPS or AA painted on the side. Same class and craft but huge difference in wages for years.

AMFA couldn't even follow the NMB rules and file for an election properly when the IBT filed with the NMB. AMFA is DEAD at AA. Rinky DINK Organization. I'll sit back and watch you keep beating your heads against a concrete wall.

AMFA can't even handle two Airlines, we are almost 60 days from an AIP , with still no T/A, what makes people think they could handle American Airlines. Every large maintenance group they have handled, and I mean large international airlines, they have been shown the door.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Wow gulfcoast another very good post. Your opinions and points of view are very valid.

BTW I still do agree that if at all possible yes we should have a vote on any “final” offer the Company might trot out before heading into Section 6.

But I also don’t concur that going in to Section 6 is necessarily Shark infested waters even if I’m sure the waves can be quite choppy at times.

I am tired and worn down tbh. If we are destined for section 6 so be it. At least we are making a lot more hourly. I am tired of fighting the company and the last thing I want to do is fight my union brothers be they TWU or IAM. I do think not sending something out, even with a recommendation of no, would be a big mistake and might do irreparable harm to the association. The IAM knows that most of their members want them to fight for the medical. I think a good percentage of them might think it won't survive section 6. The TWU does not have one single issue that is that big.

Yes the possibility of losing 5000 jobs is big for the TWU but does not affect nearly all TWU members like the IAM medical does for them. I think if there is no vote and we go to section 6, the TWU members will always remain bitter over what might have been. It is harder when you don't have one big issue to lose than when you know what that one issue is imo.

 

[Jester]

Again....we shouldn’t have to GIVE anything to KEEP CATERING. We KEPT catering because WE GAVE in the past.

Who exactly would be part of your "Royal We"? It strikes me that those who gave-up the most were those who were displaced (furloughed) from outstations to protect the catering in the East LUS hubs. Were you part of that "we" or rather one of the benefactors from the agreement? Keep in mind that "catering" would be somewhat of a misnomer as it is more akin to provisioning as the kitchen part of pretty much all US-based airline operations to have been contracted out long ago, and even such provisioning to be mostly the purview of just Southwest in nearly all, if not all, its station operations.

I agree with you in large part that the Association should not be giving-up much of anything in light of these record profits, even though I am realistic enough to accept it is highly unlikely that currently protected stations with only a few diurnal mainline flights could be economically viable with a new CBA. As to my point, we all know it to be a commonly repeated tactic of pitting the hubs against the outstations, and shame on any negotiating committee who in a wretched attempt sign a deal which would furlough hundreds (inadequately-represented) union dues paying members-- especially with no additional stations being included.