American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

Who exactly would be part of your "Royal We"? It strikes me that those who gave-up the most were those who were displaced (furloughed) from outstations to protect the catering in the East LUS hubs. Were you part of that "we" or rather one of the benefactors from the agreement? Keep in mind that "catering" would be somewhat of a misnomer as it is more akin to provisioning as the kitchen part of pretty much all US-based airline operations to have been contracted out long ago, and even such provisioning to be the purview of just Southwest in most (if not all) its station operations.

I agree with you in large part that the Association should not be giving-up much of anything in light of these record profits, even though I am realistic enough to accept it is highly unlikely that currently protected stations with only a few diurnal mainline flights could be economically viable with a new CBA. As to my point, we all know it to be a commonly repeated tactic of pitting the hubs against the outstations, and shame on any negotiating committee who in a wretched attempt sign a deal which would furlough hundreds (inadequately-represented) union dues paying members-- especially with no additional stations being included.

First time I ever heard that word.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/diurnal

 

[cltrat]

You can watch all you want dude, I’m fleet and could give two chits less what union you have,though even us lowly bag mashers are smart enough not to vote the reamsters

 

[Rusty Hilock]

You can watch all you want dude, I’m fleet and could give two chits less what union you have,though even us lowly bag mashers are smart enough not to vote the reamsters

The IBT does not want you either as the last CARD DRIVE AT LAA was for Title I and TITLE II Folks ONLY.

 

[Matt1200]

Im curious is it asking too much to see what the association is asking for. I dont like how the company is putting out their proposal and not negotiating at the table. I truly believe the IAM will lose their current pension and medical. The signing bonus is an insult.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

Im curious is it asking too much to see what the association is asking for. I dont like how the company is putting out their proposal and not negotiating at the table. I truly believe the IAM will lose their current pension and medical. The signing bonus is an insult.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lose current pension". The Company's Videos state that the LUS IAMNPF will be FROZEN and you will be switched to a Matching 401 K Plan. You still have your vesting and can draw from your IAMNPF when the time comes for the years of service prior to the frozen date.

If I were in the IAMNPF I would be much more concerned about the financial condition of Multi-Employer Plans than being placed in a 401 K Plan.

https://www.pbgc.gov/news/press/releases/pr18-02

 

[Racer X]

Elected representatives represent everyone. Each TA has its advantages and disadvantages and it affects each member differently.

The information should be given, the reasons for it being brought back and the consequences of a yes or a no vote shared. At that point we all move ahead with the process knowing the good, the bad and the ugly.

That will happen when there is a complete TA

 

[Racer X]

Giving in the past doesn't protect you in the present.

If the focus stays on that then there could a missed opportunity to maximize a return or minimize a further loss.

If the airline is motivated to avoid Section 6, let's take advantage of it because the return may not get better but could certainly get worse as a third party gets involved.

What third party? Mediator? They have no power. Arbitrator? I believe we would never agree to arbitration.

 

[Jester]

First time I ever heard that word.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/diurnal

I read it at a gas station... seriously, on the TV screen at the pump and it was a "Word of the Day". Use them or lose them.

 

[Racer X]

Who exactly would be part of your "Royal We"? It strikes me that those who gave-up the most were those who were displaced (furloughed) from outstations to protect the catering in the East LUS hubs. Were you part of that "we" or rather one of the benefactors from the agreement? Keep in mind that "catering" would be somewhat of a misnomer as it is more akin to provisioning as the kitchen part of pretty much all US-based airline operations to have been contracted out long ago, and even such provisioning to be mostly the purview of just Southwest in nearly all, if not all, its station operations.

I agree with you in large part that the Association should not be giving-up much of anything in light of these record profits, even though I am realistic enough to accept it is highly unlikely that currently protected stations with only a few diurnal mainline flights could be economically viable with a new CBA. As to my point, we all know it to be a commonly repeated tactic of pitting the hubs against the outstations, and shame on any negotiating committee who in a wretched attempt sign a deal which would furlough hundreds (inadequately-represented) union dues paying members-- especially with no additional stations being included.

I was part of the “ROYAL WE” if that means.....in regards to making concessions to keep catering. There were people displaced, downgraded from FT to PT, furloughed, and pay decreased to $15.00 hr. I fell in there somewhere.
If that is part of your so called ROYAL WE, then yes, that was me. What about you?

 

[Buck]

AMFA can't even handle two Airlines, we are almost 60 days from an AIP , with still no T/A, what makes people think they could handle American Airlines. Every large maintenance group they have handled, and I mean large international airlines, they have been shown the door.

You surprise me, your position on AMFA speaks quite low of your fellow Mechanics at SWA. Sometimes moving from one entity to another
is not about the obvious.

 

[NYer]

What third party? Mediator? They have no power. Arbitrator? I believe we would never agree to arbitration.

They have no power?

Wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[WeAAsles]

I read it at a gas station... seriously, on the TV screen at the pump and it was a "Word of the Day". Use them or lose them.

I use to read Dictionaries as a kid. I would look for words I’d find interesting and write the word and it’s definition in a notebook. Great way to expand one’s vocabulary.

Also learned to look up words I didn’t know every time I read books.

 

[Jester]

I was part of the “ROYAL WE” if that means.....in regards to making concessions to keep catering. There were people displaced, downgraded from FT to PT, furloughed, and pay decreased to $15.00 hr. I fell in there somewhere.
If that is part of your so called ROYAL WE, then yes, that was me. What about you?

I was an America West slug... never saw catering and $15.00/hour would have seemed like all the money in the world. Frankly, as difficult as it would been to be downgraded, being furloughed and forced to move would be more difficult-- those people who saved catering were the real "we" to give-up much.

 

[B737 driver]

You surprise me, your position on AMFA speaks quite low of your fellow Mechanics at SWA. Sometimes moving from one entity to another
is not about the obvious.

My opinion is not against my fellow mechanics, this whole process at times feels like we are getting played by both sides. I just want a chance to vote. The difference between SWA and American, is we have never gone through the bankruptcy process. If it takes this long to get anything done, with a healthy company. I don't see how they would move Parker any more that a union that has size to it!

 

[Racer X]

They have no power?

Wholeheartedly disagree.

A mediator?