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Mr Spit with the red X.
I'm waiting for your examples of Socialist meccas of economic winning...
 
On a side note from the Dems vs. Reps...The union met with the company, the last two days...crickets...guess we have to wait for the company to tell us their side of the story, and give us details...what a waste of union dues
 
On a side note from the Dems vs. Reps...The union met with the company, the last two days...crickets...guess we have to wait for the company to tell us their side of the story, and give us details...what a waste of union dues

Chill out wow. It’s only Wednesday. And how do any of us know they didn’t stay longer?
 
I make no excuses for people who come here and don't follow the rules, and I don't know about where you live, but most of the undocumented workers I assume you are referring to where I live, are doing work that nobody else seems that excited about doing. I doubt you will find any working for any major companies like UPS or Starbucks. They all require ID's and SSN's. They certainly cannot pass a SIDA background check.

I am interested to know what jobs these undocumented immigrants might be taking that American citizens would want? There is not a large variety of people standing at the day labor sites here. I would assume if there was a large demand for that kind of work, we would see more diversity in those who seek it.

Again, I am not making excuses for people breaking laws. I am asking who wants to do the work they are doing and what jobs are they taking from citizens?

it's amazing that the usa didn't collapse in a heap of rubble in 1951 when there were virtually no illegals in the midwest harvesting crops, busing tables, flipping hamburgers, cutting grass or working poultry/meat processing plants..

picking broccoli and strawberries on a corporate farm for $9/hr with no benefits wouldn't appeal to most americans.

i understand that seasonal workers came and went; but not so much in the midwest.

if that's your argument...i cited something else, which you skipped over, i cited what nobel prize winning economists claim; illegal immigration depresses wages.

big business and the wealthy clearly benefit the most (as sourced yesterday) from illegal immigration and fight behind the scenes and in the open for more immigration; illegal and legal, so the argument was; can the democratic party be for american labor and also be for illegal immigration?

my feeling is that both political parties in the usa are distanced from labor..no one doubts the republican party is. i brought up how the republican party once courted labor and bragged about labor's advances under a republican president (eisenhower's 1st term).
 
On a side note from the Dems vs. Reps...The union met with the company, the last two days...crickets...guess we have to wait for the company to tell us their side of the story, and give us details...what a waste of union dues

That lack of information is what allows the airline to fill the gaps and their version of the story gets more credibility from the Members that just want some information or an update.
 
That lack of information is what allows the airline to fill the gaps and their version of the story gets more credibility from the Members that just want some information or an update.

Now that you’re actually a part of and involved with the process have you given any particular advice to exactly how your Union Brothers should transmit the information you feel is lacking?

Aside from the official Association updates I’ve seen Gary Peterson videos, Dale Danker written and video updates, Mark Baskett E- Mail blasts that are shared with TWU Members and just yesterday an update from the IAM Phoenix Local President.

What I admit I find extremely frustrating is trying to get you to inform precisely what you need that has been missing regarding information? (Explaining the difficulties shtick again?)


“”””June 12, 2018

With regard to last week's AA informational sessions:

Last week, the Sky Harbor Lodge was pleased to host negotiators from both Fleet and Maintenance negotiating teams, including PHX-based negotiating committee members Pat Rezler and Mark Strength, as well as District 142 President and Directing General Chairman Dave Supplee, District 141 President and Directing General Chairman Michael Klemm, and Grand Lodge Representative and Chief Negotiator Tom Regan. The team was joined by District 142 General Chair Randy Griffith.

Headed by Brother Regan, the discussions, comprised of mostly question and answer, focused on the current status of the ongoing contract negotiations, and, for the most part, the five remaining issues under dispute: Scope, Insurance, Retirement, Profit Sharing, and Compensation, although, it should be noted, the last four, being primarily economic issues, are quite interrelated.

The scope discussions dealt with what work we do own, and how many cities we work in, and how many continuous jobs we will hold. A complexity of this issue comes with the potential of a buyout option, which, traditionally, companies have used to sell a less-than ideal contract. By way of example, according to the company’s “supposal” (proposal is the wrong word...the company has not made any proposals to the union in several weeks, so the details of the company’s ideas toward an agreement are nebulous at best. Hence, we “suppose” the company is offering this or that: supposal), were they to offer 300 buyouts, then, presumably, 300 people who are planning on retiring anyway, but are waiting around for the buyout, are an automatic “yes” for the contract, regardless of the consequences. And, as they say, the devil’s in the details: the company has no intention of filling those positions...they’re gone. With fewer positions, there come with it fewer opportunities for advancement from part-time to full-time, agent to crew chief, or even system transfers.

Another aspect of scope, affecting staffing, is cargo and mail. Our proposal protects cargo and mail, the company wants the ability to outsource mail. Were they to do that, it could potentially affect in-station staffing, in that while you may be protected in Phoenix in your “basic classification” (company’s words), you’re not necessarily protected in your status as a full-timer, if you happen to be full-time.

At the end of the day, the union proposal would maintain the ownership of all the work we have now in the cities we have now (including cargo and mail, as I mentioned, deicing, catering, RON cleaning, lavs, potable water), and expand our work into cities we don’t currently service. It’s a fight worth having, because nothing else means a hill of beans if we don’t have the work.

Insurance. Look, I don’t think there’s anybody, anywhere, that wants to spend more than they have to. The LUS insurance is the best there is, and the cost to bring the LAA members into it is $40m a year. Don’t be fooled: this LAA insurance wasn’t negotiated by any union, rather, it was bestowed through bankruptcy. Two bankruptcies. The pilots and flight attendants got it through binding arbitration. Pax service through a largely un-represented workgroup suddenly becoming unionized. We’re the only ones negotiating this insurance, and believe me, the rest of the company is watching. The LAA negotiators realize this too, and are 100% on board with fighting this fight. In the mean time, the company is going around with their road shows, talking about how wonderful their insurance is. Frankly, and this is a message you can take to them, they need to convince the negotiators: if it’s that good, then come back to the table and show us. The truth is, it just isn’t, and it will hurt far more than it helps.

Retirement: company wants your pension, but doesn’t want to supplement it satisfactorily with an automatic contribution to a 401k, or even with a particularly great match. By way of example, the pilots get a 16% automatic contribution, which means a 777 captain stands to bring in $48,000 a year in retirement savings without having to add a dime of his own money. In contrast, the company is offering us 5% automatic, and a 4% match. If the company can come back with something more competitive than that, then we’ll consider it, but again, they need to come back to the table and negotiate.

Profit sharing: the company’s structure doesn’t come close to its competitors. Until it does, we don’t have a bargain.

Compensation: We’ve been assured time and time again that we will have an industry-leading contract with an industry-leading pay scale. The company’s “supposal” starts out at the top, but we’d fall behind within a few years. This is simply not acceptable.

In Solidarity,

Jason””””
 
That lack of information is what allows the airline to fill the gaps and their version of the story gets more credibility from the Members that just want some information or an update.

BTW it would be nice if the Association had access to Jetnet/Workbrain to be able to take their rebuttals directly to the Membership right there in their workareas but I’m sure that’s not something you’re going to point out that they don’t have access to.
 
Now that you’re actually a part of and involved with the process have you given any particular advice to exactly how your Union Brothers should transmit the information you feel is lacking?

Aside from the official Association updates I’ve seen Gary Peterson videos, Dale Danker written and video updates, Mark Baskett E- Mail blasts that are shared with TWU Members and just yesterday an update from the IAM Phoenix Local President.

What I admit I find extremely frustrating is trying to get you to inform precisely what you need that has been missing regarding information? (Explaining the difficulties shtick again?)

Everyone on this page knows exactly what I mean.

No offense to those people you mentioned, the information should be coming from one source with a singular message, not from several individuals outside the Association structure.

As the Association stated in one of their updates, "There is one source of official communications regarding these negotiations – that is those issued jointly by the TWU and IAM through this Association."
 
BTW it would be nice if the Association had access to Jetnet/Workbrain to be able to take their rebuttals directly to the Membership right there in their workareas but I’m sure that’s not something you’re going to point out that they don’t have access to.

Here are some more straws for you...

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...keep grasping
 
Everyone on this page knows exactly what I mean.

No offense to those people you mentioned, the information should be coming from one source with a singular message, not from several individuals outside the Association structure.

As the Association stated in one of their updates, "There is one source of official communications regarding these negotiations – that is those issued jointly by the TWU and IAM through this Association."

I seriously DON’T know what you mean and why I keep asking you over and over ad nauseum.

Ok but AGAIN what exactly are YOU looking for? Personally I feel that yes there is some more information the Association could provide to us but I also feel (By Far) I don’t have all the details from the Company either.

Do you think Alex and Sito should make videos with mood lighting, a green screen, soft music playing in the background and cue cards?

Maybe stare back at each other and nod in admiration like Kerry and David.
 
You know what forget NYer he never says anything anyway.

Readers on here you tell me. What exactly are you not being told by the Association that you feel we need and let’s talk about that?

What is missing in the Association communications?
 
Everyone on this page knows exactly what I mean.

No offense to those people you mentioned, the information should be coming from one source with a singular message, not from several individuals outside the Association structure.

As the Association stated in one of their updates, "There is one source of official communications regarding these negotiations – that is those issued jointly by the TWU and IAM through this Association."
Oh no worries, the membership will get all the information on "T/A" day.
 
Most everyone, except you, is looking for substance.

I think I’d rather hear from the readers and not you. You’re never specific about anything anyway. And preferably the ones who actually work at AA.
 
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