American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

stop

Stop your lies!
The company offered all scope for 40 stations. Period. When Sito still made the iam pension a deal breaker...everything came off the table. You dont give a damn so you spread your anti worker crap and spread your bs about isom wanting to oust parker.
When I out you about your exit strategy you say we will get better offers in section 6. Do you realize how dumb you are? Im not joking.

“Sir” please calm down. Your excitement is why you were removed from the latest Facebook Group page. Calm down or I can’t continue to engage you.

I read the last update for (FLEET) that update stated that the Company had backed off Scope hits in the (40) Stations for (TODAY) they DID NOT guarantee the work for (TOMORROW)

They also then backed off their Scope talk until other Economic issues were agreed to and then they would come back to Scope. Which essentially means they made no firm commitment.

Even though yes it appears as if WE “could” potentially be protected TODAY to quote Apollo Creed “There is no tomorrow”

And the Company has still made no acceptable commitment to AMT and Related (Facilities and Automotive) that I’m aware of?

Now you had your fun yesterday are you going to behave yourself today?

Besides the FACT that you are no longer a Member and have NO say and NO vote any longer.

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Hey Timmy, your idol decided to address the American Worker on Labor Day with nothing more than a convoluted tweet, and a promise not to play golf.
He is the reason negotiations are taking so long. He is the Company's ace in the hole. NRTWA on the way! SAD...

The proof is his disdain for Union Leaders, like his recent disparagement of the leader of the AFL CIO... Wait... disdain for Union Leaders? Sounds like your mantra, no wonder you love him!

93,000 jobs, and counting OUTSOURCED under him...
https://aflcio.org/tags/president-donald-trump

 

[WeAAsles]

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[Tim Nelson]

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Hey Timmy, your idol decided to address the American Worker on Labor Day with nothing more than a convoluted tweet, and a promise not to play golf.
He is the reason negotiations are taking so long. He is the Company's ace in the hole. NRTWA on the way! SAD...

The proof is his disdain for Union Leaders, like this recent disparagement of the leader of the AFL CIO...
93,000 jobs, and counting OUTSOURCED under him...
https://aflcio.org/tags/president-donald-trump

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Trumka put his foot in his mouth real bad. Trump is putting these rotten union leadsrs in their place. Keep your racist anger and anti christian garbage to yourself.

 

[MetalMover]

Ok you’re back once again on a sole focus against the TWU which is obviously the acronym you consider to be your enemy. The acronym is not where your focus should be. You should be focusing on the people in leadership positions under the acronym, the work they perform today and the work they performed to help elevate them to their positions.

I've earned the right to dislike the TWU. As far as my leadership goes..I have NO say whatsoever into who gets appointed at the executive levels ZERO!
They take care of themselves just like boards of directors do.

And the monetary value is irrelevant since you wanted to focus solely on the DUES. If it were only about the dues there would be no arguments other than Scope (more work), ways to keep that work, ways to keep those workers and ways to add to their wages. The things that generate to the dues where the leaders can gain raises themselves. (Have you looked at the TWU International LM2’s the last few years particularly at the leaders salaries)

It is NOT irrelevant. It's called quantity over quality.
If the TWU and its leadership are so righteous and dues were last on their priority list, then they should get the BEST GODDAMN CONTRACT for the HERE AND NOW, even at the expense of the unborn.

So NO it’s not all about dues but of course the Unions absolutely need dues (money) to survive. (So would your AMP idea)

And the next thing we will be hearing from GP is if we lose all the assumed jobs, the twu will have no choice but to merge with the iam.


Not only does the TWU have to go but the ASSOCIATION as well!

 

[psa8979]

 

[psa8979]

De'ja' Vu 9/12/18 CHEERS !

 

[psa8979]

 

[WeAAsles]

I've earned the right to dislike the TWU. As far as my leadership goes..I have NO say whatsoever into who gets appointed at the executive levels ZERO!
They take care of themselves just like boards of directors do.


It is NOT irrelevant. It's called quantity over quality.
If the TWU and its leadership are so righteous and dues were last on their priority list, then they should get the BEST GODDAMN CONTRACT for the HERE AND NOW, even at the expense of the unborn.



And the next thing we will be hearing from GP is if we lose all the assumed jobs, the twu will have no choice but to merge with the iam.


Not only does the TWU have to go but the ASSOCIATION as well!

Easier to answer this in numerical order.

# 1 You didn’t earn the right to dislike an acronym, you chose to dislike the acronym through your experiences while that acronym was part of your life. In other words you blame the acronym.

And you DO have a say in how those people are Elected and then they appoint. You just don’t like how that’s done (Electoral Vote vs Popular vote) Fair enough.

# 2 Who said they were righteous or that Dues was the LAST thing on their minds? Why does everyone feel such a need to over dramatize and make things up that others said (IE: The Kook)

And I see you want them to solely take care of US NOW I guess? If the Union had always thought this way you and I never would have had a job to ever step into. At least not a decent paying one.

# 3 The TWU doesn’t need to merge with anyone. That was the old Jim Little mentality and he’s gone. TWU is actually one of the few Unions out there that’s growing (5000 new FA’s JetBlue)

And sorry my respected AMT friend but they’re not going anywhere. At least probably not in my leftover lifetime.

 

[psa8979]

Fish On !!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

negotiations have been trashed. Petersons unprofessional rant claiming ison is involved in illegal sec actions killed all credibility and now things are finished.

 

[MetalMover]

Easier to answer this in numerical order.

# 1 You didn’t earn the right to dislike an acronym, you chose to dislike the acronym through your experiences while that acronym was part of your life. In other words you blame the acronym.

Sorry, PEOPLE make up the acronym whatever it is. PEOPLE.

And you DO have a say in how those people are Elected and then they appoint. You just don’t like how that’s done (Electoral Vote vs Popular vote) Fair enough

Did I have a say in ANYONE'S appointment above the local level?
GP just got appointed an executive position..Did I have a say in that? Did I miss the vote?
Instead he is busy cooking up conspiracy theories about AA leadership.

# 2 Who said they were righteous or that Dues was the LAST thing on their minds? Why does everyone feel such a need to over dramatize and make things up that others said (IE: The Kook).

You more or less did...It is PARAMOUNT on their mids.. Don't kid yourself, WeAAz. You are the being the dramatic defender of the TWU saying we would not have a decent paying job without them. Please!
"And the monetary value is irrelevant since you wanted to focus solely on the DUES. If it were only about the dues there would be no arguments other than Scope (more work), ways to keep that work, ways to keep those workers and ways to add to their wages. The things that generate to the dues where the leaders can gain raises themselves. (Have you looked at the TWU International LM2’s the last few years particularly at the leaders salaries)
And I see you want them to solely take care of US NOW I guess? If the Union had always thought this way you and I never would have had a job to ever step into. At least not a decent paying one."

# 3 The TWU doesn’t need to merge with anyone. That was the old Jim Little mentality and he’s gone. TWU is actually one of the few Unions out there that’s growing (5000 new FA’s JetBlue)

How long before they leave the TWU like AA FLIGHT ATTENDANTS DID??????????

And sorry my respected AMT friend but they’re not going anywhere. At least probably not in my leftover lifetime.

The only definite things for sure in this world are death and taxes, my friend.
I will try for the rest of my working days to rid ourselves if the ASSOCIATION along with the TWU.

 

[737823]

So in one weeks time three (3) LAA stations SAT, STL, SJU could be contracted out based on the CBA language and departure counts. Will the company follow through subject to the CBA? Why hasn’t the association secured this work?

Josh

 

[ATD]

Peterson is an idiot, people forget he tried three times at being manager and was rejected. People still put him in office..you can't fix stupid.
We deserve what we get. People complain but do nothing about it....

 

[737823]

NYer do you have updated LAA metal departure numbers for these cities?

Josh