American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

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what free handout? I guess nobody can keep you from lying. I pay for representation, i just dont pay the 33% that goes to politics.

Unfortunately, we arent getting what we are paying for. I would pay zero if I could. And it still wouldnt be a handout cuz we get nothing with this miserable association.

 

[WeAAsles]

what free handout? I guess nobody can keep you from lying. I pay for representation, i just dont pay the 33% that goes to politics.

Unfortunately, we arent getting what we are paying for. I would pay zero if I could. And it still wouldnt be a handout cuz we get nothing with this miserable association.

“Mr” Nelson getting his Profit Sharing treat from the Company.

 

[anotherdelay]

i cant dispute any of what you said because nothing was disclosed. If you tell us that the company offer would take away 3,000 jobs then why cant you show us? Something is wrong.
But, for this moment, lets say what you said was true. What leverage do you have to make the company put even more on the table?

And if you guys (not necessarily you) continue putting out videos saying "Attack the company" then who can say that wont piss off Parker and make him cancel our profit sharing?

Doesnt seem that we are in the drivers seat here to start throwing first punches.

It would of helped to if from the begining g you would of put the kabosh on the healthcare fight, when you went up to 30 bucks an hour. Look we all need relief from the costs, and it would be alot easier if all employees from management, pilots mechanics, gate agents all fought, for better healthcare.
Next yes streamline. Lets fight for cargo, lavs, bagroom. and ramp. Mail, catering, deicing well, 90 percent of the membership wouldn't miss it. as far as opening/ closing some stations and reopening, 15-20 per day is not that unreasonable, either. Fug you to the internationals on ready reserve and 40 percent part time. Next cut the bullshit on this Association, let the membership decide which union they want to be a part of. Meaning, tomorrow, let us check off which union I want my dues to go to. The company and union, should give us all a 500 incentive asap , just for that one. that would be a start to expedite this contract.

 

[Tim Nelson]

It would of helped to if from the begining g you would of put the kabosh on the healthcare fight, when you went up to 30 bucks an hour. Look we all need relief from the costs, and it would be alot easier if all employees from management, pilots mechanics, gate agents all fought, for better healthcare.
Next yes streamline. Lets fight for cargo, lavs, bagroom. and ramp. Mail, catering, deicing well, 90 percent of the membership wouldn't miss it. as far as opening/ closing some stations and reopening, 15-20 per day is not that unreasonable, either. Fug you to the internationals on ready reserve and 40 percent part time. Next cut the bullshit on this Association, let the membership decide which union they want to be a part of. Meaning, tomorrow, let us check off which union I want my dues to go to. The company and union, should give us all a 500 incentive asap , just for that one. that would be a start to expedite this contract.

The TWU should have picked one craft, the IAM the other. As it is, there are two different interest and 4 different interest groups within the Association canopy.
We aren't getting anything more than what was offered last. In fact, there already is less on the table. And when they get in mediations, presumably after January (not counting the initial introduction meeting), they will find out that even less is on the table. Good job Charlie Brown!

 

[dfw gen]

can i take a lack of response as a "dont look behind the curtain" or please dont ask silly questions? sorry racer but you put yourself and your membership in a losing position short term you will be ok, once mediation starts a year or two down the road we will be right where we are today.

 

[AANOTOK]

Tim, I disagree with you that CB and the other IAM negotiators sold it's members down the river on Medical.
I actually believe the opposite. I think the IAM refused to budge on their Healthcare so AA decided to play hard ball with Scope. I still don't see the IAM being able to keep it, nor do I see us getting ours lowered any. If Scope is the most important thing, you might want to rethink your Medical situation.

 

[AANOTOK]

Question Tim or whomever may know the answer. Although unlikely. can AA and the Association meet anytime without the mediator, or does Section 6 stipulate when, where and with a mediator?

 

[P. REZ]

i cant dispute any of what you said because nothing was disclosed. If you tell us that the company offer would take away 3,000 jobs then why cant you show us? Something is wrong.
But, for this moment, lets say what you said was true. What leverage do you have to make the company put even more on the table?

And if you guys (not necessarily you) continue putting out videos saying "Attack the company" then who can say that wont piss off Parker and make him cancel our profit sharing?

Doesnt seem that we are in the drivers seat here to start throwing first punches.

Tim,

Can’t show anybody anything because the company wouldn’t put it in writing. IMO, they wouldn’t put anything in writing because they don’t want any more movement on paper until the Mediator is present. IMO, we get a little movement in a couple of areas in Mediation at some point, will it be enough? Remember, my opinion, nobody else’s.

P. Rez

 

[CremaDiLimone]

My perspective will not be a matter of personal opinion, but one that advocates for disclosures and a democratic vote on such disclosure. And to get the United Airline Board of Director to recuse himself from our talks. He has no business in there with us. And of course, I won't tolerate the union lies that I read in the newspaper. I'll correct those lies from a labor activist point of view in the press.

ok, that's great..

...but, if the company wants a deal and you're mucking it up by giving sito and assoc. dirt to penthouse magazine; the company will let you know - one way or another. the company is negotiating with the assoc., not with you. billions in labor costs and profits are at stake.

 

[Vortilon]

Tim,

Regarding your post, just some clarifications for you:

1. 1 more sick day, not 4
2. Almost $1 DOS wage increase, not $2
3. Scope-Company made a comment in negotiations that we wouldn't take snapshot of current work, we said put it in writing, company wouldn't.

The issues I have with the company offer:

1. Scope- company does want work to be gone as employees take buyout, retire, quit, etc. Roughly 2000-3000 jobs, maybe more. They aren't being honest in this regard.
2. Wages- would fall behind UA and DL with company not willing to negotiate a look back.
3. Insurance-It would cost a single ft LUS employee $27-$155 more per month just to have insurance, not use. It would cost a family ft LUS $99-$547 more per month just to have insurance, not use. This is based on our current 80% plan to the LAA core, standard and value plans.
4. The 401k offer would put money back in the company's pocket if employees didn't put in 4%, yet we still get charged as if they did. Statistics show many employees don't contribute the max or at all.

I can't accept this offer!

P. Rez

Been here long enough to know, we will be looking at this same offer 2 years from now - to vote on. Both the IAM and TWU are weak at negotiating for the members. On the flip side, when it comes to taking care of their own interests - wow, no expense is spared. We are screwed, the company loves it, the internationals are already getting the dues increase due to the last raise - so no rush there. The membership is being played.

 

[Racer X]

absolutely discontent from the beginning! when the promised vote on the association never occurred that was the first misstep in unity, and quite frankly one of many screw what the membership wants. to say now it was the nmb that formed the association is just another spin by the association. the iam and twu applied for the association using dues check off cards as a sign of interest there was a 30 day period to show other interest, the iam and the twu KNEW chances were slim to none anything can be done in 30 days. for you guys it was a lock! and you knew it.

so when the opportunity came to actually show unity in protest, when the iam leadership could have taken advantage of a photo op at the protest. YOU STAYED HOME. why? your leadership decided it wasn't the time to protest. when YOUR meat and potatoes get taken away the catering,medical pension THEN its time to get behind the negotiating team. not when it affects us. no racer that was an error in judgement, a dumb error in judgement that presented an opportunity to the company. one YOU gave them on a silver platter. Gary had the support of the membership, unfortunately YOU pissed it away. if YOU would have been there from day one and proved it, we would have been there from day one. you were not,why should we? please dont talk about unity, unity does not occur at your convenience. it occurs when the opportunity presents itself it did and you passed. was it really because you didnt believe it was the time? or was it why should we? we are ok. was it too much effort to assemble the committee at each protest? so when one of the association members disagrees we just decide to take our toys home, and not play? no sir unity is about sacrifice and opportunity, not convenience.

discontent,yes. from the beginning? yes. why? guess you are correct we the membership are the dumb ones.

My guess is that you didn’t show up for the protest and more than likely don’t even know what the protest was for.

 

[WeAAsles]

Been here long enough to know, we will be looking at this same offer 2 years from now - to vote on. Both the IAM and TWU are weak at negotiating for the members. On the flip side, when it comes to taking care of their own interests - wow, no expense is spared. We are screwed, the company loves it, the internationals are already getting the dues increase due to the last raise - so no rush there. The membership is being played.

Ok we are being played. So now you tell me what Union you could go with that you’re positive this would be done by now and you would have a contract you deserve?

Now without just giving me a name I want you to tell me precisely how the group you like would speed things along and get it for you?

Name that Union that would be strong for the AMT’s?

 

[dfw gen]

My guess is that you didn’t show up for the protest and more than likely don’t even know what the protest was for.

Absouloutly positively wrong. I was at both of them in dfw and at hdq. Banging a twu sign, not an association sign because YOU never showed up. And yes i know what i was walking for. Do you? I dont think you do.

 

[dfw gen]

What are you protesting for? Oh what the iam doesnt protest.

 

[Racer X]

can i take a lack of response as a "dont look behind the curtain" or please dont ask silly questions? sorry racer but you put yourself and your membership in a losing position short term you will be ok, once mediation starts a year or two down the road we will be right where we are today.

Sorry Gen,
You seem to be someone that would rather just sit back and watch others do all the work...then When it doesn’t go exactly as you had hoped you start complaining about the work that someone else did. So, relax....others are going to make sure you get 30+ an hour...other’s will make sure you get 6 weeks vacation. Others will make sure you get 2x pay, more holidays, more sick, better holiday pay, and protect your work....you just sit right there nice and comfy and yell and scream that it taking too long for you to get it. It’s a nice life that others have made for you, isn’t it?