American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[737823]

I dont think anyone recognizes him anymore as he looks about 30 years older and a typical old man. Balding and extra weight will do that.

Nobody cares anymore as they realize the union is worthless.

They could have made salaries $200,000 and it will pass. Nobody goes to meetings, nothing.

As it turns out, they are just exploiting the union for their personal gains. Charlie Brown etc cant possibly come on these pages anymore because he will get chewed up for his greed.
But good for them giving themselves monster pay raises up to the President of 142. Every reason why right to work should be nationwide. Forcing people to pay for ridiculous salaries is wrong.

Tim why didn’t the IAM run a more effective campaign for the UA F/As? Do you think the TWA seniority issue and the AFA work rules made it difficult for the IAM?

Josh

 

[PIEDMONT784]

Sorry too much here for me to want to read. And I’m sure it’s all stuff you’ve written hundreds of times over and over anyway.

Ever think of just attaching a link to your resume and adding it to every one of your posts? Could make things easier ya know.

Weez.. I don't read the lengthy tirades... no need... they basically say THIS every time...

Sow discord ---> Suggest Union Leaders are useless and overpaid ---> Suggest voting out the Union and
Association ---> COMPANY WINS! --- (REPEAT, OVER, AND OVER)

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim why didn’t the IAM run a more effective campaign for the UA F/As? Do you think the TWA seniority issue and the AFA work rules made it difficult for the IAM?

Josh

Because they didn't listen. I was a professionally trained organizer with a Masters Education in culture development, but they put Ira Levy in charge of the F/A group, and Tom Reagon in charge of the Delta Ramp Group. I was in charge of AirTran and United's organizing plan. Reagon is awful. He is such a tool screaming about the IAM Pension and it killed any idea of a victory. And they didn't properly develop inside committee relationships. Reagon and the "union organizers' only worked 8 hours and went home. It was a job. Not a belief or care in the word. Some organizers wanted the Delta ramp campaign to keep going because it was AND NOW IS their constant meal ticket.

The F/A was lost because of the same thing. It was a job. Nobody built any trust because nobody listened. Since my plans, the IAM has lost every single organizing attempt in the airlines. In fact, they can't even get enough cards. I would have had Delta ramp and Delta F/A organized in 6 months. All my plans worked and won. 40,000 members. I knew people's first names and I didn't sit in my office, I was 24/7 and knew the names of the children of our in house commitees. The IAM isn't believable so you have to personify the campaigns.

Presently, they are just doing the Delta ramp and F/A campaign to satisfy the AFLCIO constitution. No real intention to organize.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

It's a gift. Be grateful. Or rip up the check or donate it. Nothing wrong with bringing our grievances to the company about it and wanting more though.
Obviously, Delta is setting the standards, it would be nice for our company to raise that bar.

i already made donations. i donated $5/hr off my hourly wages, shift differential, 1 week vc, holiday pay..etc, in 2003. i was then coerced into donating $1,000 a month off my pension and another week vc in 2011.

delta is raising the bar and aa is hitting me with it.

stop the appeasement. are you lobbying for a corporate job? if you are, more power to you, but, not this way.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez.. I don't read the lengthy tirades... no need... they basically says THIS every time...

Sow discord ---> Suggest Union Leaders are useless and overpaid ---> Suggest voting out the Union and
Association ---> COMPANY WINS! --- (REPEAT, OVER, AND OVER)

I actually might engage some of his lunacy if he would just start different threads to talk about it all. I mean honestly there’s nothing wrong with discussing this IAM amendment vote and if the 141 AGC’s deserve a raise at this time or not.

But the rest is just insane rattling drivel that no one is going to read cause they know it’s all just a never ending selling himself TN commercial. That Mike Lindell, My Pillow guy is memorable yea but I’ll never buy one of his pillows simply cause he really grates on my nerves. (Add in that Flex Seal guy)

Despite the fact that there’s not much to talk about here as far as Negotiations till next year.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

And I haven’t read anywhere of any softening of demand for flights or any softening of ticket prices.

And yes when it comes to Profit Sharing this oil drop is going to be a dramatic windfall for Delta, United and Southwest Airline Employees.

El Cheapo AA Air will continue to shortchange us and think we should raise Pom Poms for their generosity.

i'd say that they will have to raise the dividend and now is their chance with jetfuel windfall 2.0

 

[CremaDiLimone]

As far as the economy, it is softening now. Freight has dragged the last two months on the highways and inventory isn't expanding. So, it would seem that within the next 6 months that our industry may be cooling off. That will eventually mean layoffs I believe as time goes.

if it's the same guy who told you that oil will kill us as it marches to $100/bbl, then, don't believe him.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Don’t forget to add to your “exciting” story the different formulas. Your Company sets 10% aside in a pool to share with 80,000 Employees where AA sets aside 5% to dole out to 120,000 Employees.

10% up to $2.5 billion. 20%, above that.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I just don’t like gambling for my compensation even if some years it could reap a bonanza.

Let’s say for you your worst years bring you in $5,000 and your best bring you in $10,000.

I’ll take a $7,500 guarantee and congratulate you even if you wind up hitting that 10k more years than not.

that's the issue. i've said we need to get a robust premium over dl & ua. $7,500 is $3.75/hr more?

if aa balks at that on DOS, then we need to make a stand on insurance and scope. sorry, aa will always be wildly profitable going forward...like aa doesn't think other people know that? shhhhh...it's a secret??

 

[Tim Nelson]

i already made donations. i donated $5/hr off my hourly wages, shift differential, 1 week vc, holiday pay..etc, in 2003. i was then coerced into donating $1,000 a month off my pension and another week vc in 2011.

delta is raising the bar and aa is hitting me with it.

stop the appeasement. are you lobbying for a corporate job? if you are, more power to you, but, not this way.

The last contract offer was more than the total FTE compensation of United and Delta by 10%. The one preventing it is Gary Peterson. If he was preventing it insomuch that we would all gain more then that is one thing, but he is not going to gain anything more. Fleet already lost catering and lavs when Alex decided to sacrifice fleet for MX. I'm not happy with that or losing LUS health care but your union bosses gave up its leverage with cross utilization so there is very little reason for the company to grow a heart. As far as oil, the company is greedy and has awful labor relations. I hope you are right and that the company becomes more compassionate and expands the profit sharing totals to that of Delta. But other than your wish, I think we both know that will not happen.

 

[Tim Nelson]

at any rate, you guys can keep on with your talk about how great the Association is, a new union will be raiding the IAM very soon on many properties, and will be seeking other non-IAM turf to expand and free workers. A few TWU properties have already contacted us about raiding the TWU at some locations as well.
I tried telling the IAM to stop kissing management butt but it didn't listen.

 

[WeAAsles]

i already made donations. i donated $5/hr off my hourly wages, shift differential, 1 week vc, holiday pay..etc, in 2003. i was then coerced into donating $1,000 a month off my pension and another week vc in 2011.

delta is raising the bar and aa is hitting me with it.

stop the appeasement. are you lobbying for a corporate job? if you are, more power to you, but, not this way.

Exactly.

if it's the same guy who told you that oil will kill us as it marches to $100/bbl, then, don't believe him.

He obviously doesn’t read growth forecasts from IATA.

https://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pages/2017-10-24-01.aspx

10% up to $2.5 billion. 20%, above that.

With Oil down the way it is they’re very likely to hit those numbers next year even with all the WAGE improvements they’ve gained the last few years. Again these are the absolute Glory Days of the major N American Airline Industry and it shocks me how few see what you and I see.

that's the issue. i've said we need to get a robust premium over dl & ua. $7,500 is $3.75/hr more?

if aa balks at that on DOS, then we need to make a stand on insurance and scope. sorry, aa will always be wildly profitable going forward...like aa doesn't think other people know that? shhhhh...it's a secret??

One Townhall either it was Parker or Isom said the Association is asking for too much in wages and they can’t pay that. It wasn’t a direct question asked but it was part of an answer regarding negotiations.

BTW an 11% wage increase from where we are right now is $3.39. Something about that 11% number I really like. Don’t ask me why.

 

[Kev3188]

that's the issue. i've said we need to get a robust premium over dl & ua. $7,500 is $3.75/hr more?

if aa balks at that on DOS, then we need to make a stand on insurance and scope. sorry, aa will always be wildly profitable going forward...like aa doesn't think other people know that? shhhhh...it's a secret??

I agree. There’s ZERO reason why LAA should be stuck with only 17 stations while we at DL have 43 (soon to be 45). Those dopey flight thresholds are a weight on the entire industry.

 

[WeAAsles]

The last contract offer was more than the total FTE compensation of United and Delta by 10%. The one preventing it is Gary Peterson. If he was preventing it insomuch that we would all gain more then that is one thing, but he is not going to gain anything more. Fleet already lost catering and lavs when Alex decided to sacrifice fleet for MX. I'm not happy with that or losing LUS health care but your union bosses gave up its leverage with cross utilization so there is very little reason for the company to grow a heart. As far as oil, the company is greedy and has awful labor relations. I hope you are right and that the company becomes more compassionate and expands the profit sharing totals to that of Delta. But other than your wish, I think we both know that will not happen.

The 10% number you are quoting I suppose comes from the Company? That may be the case in an immediate signing but over time due to wage and job erosion that number dwindles. (I expect you to ignore this in your responses)

I thought it was Sito and the IAM holding things up? Now you say it’s Gary Peterson? You need to make up your mind who you want to paint all these negative pictures of?

Catering and Lavs or Deicing for that matter are not lost until the Union Negotiators agree to accept that language first and then pass it on for our final decision. Do you have any documented proof that Brother Garcia is sacrificing any Fleet items in exchange for Maintenance? Don’t forget as the AMT’s like to point out the TWU is a Fleet Service Union (2 of the top 5 officers are AA FSC background)

Oh and we have no Union bosses. If you had won any of your elections would you have considered yourself to be a Union boss? If you considered others to be Union bosses cause they don’t do what you want then you yourself would also have been a Union Boss.

P.S. You haven’t lost your Medical rates either until that’s signed off on as accepted. If you think what the Company offers is all we can ever get then you would have made a lousy Negotiator and the Company would have laughed their asses off at how quickly you folded.

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree. There’s ZERO reason why LAA should be stuck with only 17 stations while we at DL have 43 (soon to be 45). Those dopey flight thresholds are a weight on the entire industry.

You know those 17 Stations currently hold over 10,000 FSC’s.

Even with your 43 (soon to be 45) Delta Management owned Stations do you have over 10,000 well paid workers in them?

BTW adding in the total at AA there are 40 currently held cities. IAM has more cities but again less workers at about 8,000.

The Association is ((( Negotiating ))) for even more cities to be opened. Like all ((( Negotiations ))) we’ll see what happens?