American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[bob@las-AA]

are the holidays just as juicy as a PTer? juicy, but smaller morsels.

still not sure how bob will work every single holiday and get paid 2 or 2 1/2 times each holiday? which holiday is pac-man day? can he play parker to keep lavs?

With fri-sat off, ya chatch em all. As far as lavs, and water, I never heard that was on the table.

 

[bob@las-AA]

 

[Vortilon]

The reason you don’t see the TAs is Because TA means TENTATIVE agreement... which means although it is agreed to, it could still change.
If the TAs were put out and they had to be amended for some reason then everyone would say that the TAs were BS and lies.

True, it's referred to as a "agreement in principle" or AIP. Which is pretty much meaningless, when it comes down to it.

 

[Kev3188]

i've seen the $39 million per year figure...the cost for aa to put all assoc. members on lus insurance?

how much money would aa be adding into their pockets through synthetic income of upping lus members' insurance premiums?

that's not organic income...income generated from the business degrees and subsequent business acumen and genius of parker or isom or johnsen. aa stays the same and lus pay more?

money going to the shareholders? money going up the ladder, not down?

Those are great questions! I hope your NC is demanding the answers. We all hear what items "cost" the company; we rarely hear what they stand to gain.

The cap at DFW was 200 till BK...that cap was never reached at DFW, usually hovered between 165-180...actually the counter offer by the union is 40%, but 40% of the FT heads...the company wants 40% of the total fleet head count including both FT and PT...big difference...

A massive difference. All the more reason why crafting precise language is critical.

 

[Tim Nelson]

So what's the plan P.Rez...sit on our hands until section 6? The Association threatened to unleash their immense amount of resources. Why wait, let's do it whatever that is. We (TWU) are losing daily. Let's stop the bleeding and do the unleashing...no negotiations are planned...Lets go!

To be sure, there are no "Full unleashing of resources" unless you are talking about Sito's son who is our "Top" economic adviser who already boggled some things while he is competing against seasoned professionals from Harvard and Yale. Dude just graduated from school with a bachelor's but he is chief economist for the Transportation department now at about $200,000 a year after Sito fired The Labor Bureau and Tom Roth.

The only resources the IAM has is the members but the IAM cuffed the members and has agreed to stand down in any TWU rallies/pickets.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Management gave 25 flights to LSG in CLT to be catered. Claiming the 'configuration' is not compatible with our catering trucks. Confirmation? Management seems to be scaling back all non core work that it has previously allowed us to work.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I heard that possibly one of the bad things in that last UAL deal was that the Company was given a higher PT Cap or a greater ability to shift FT Members down to PT?

Even if the Company does get enough takers on any offered buyouts raising any PT cap could cause some serious stagnation if we also lost Catering, Deicing, Lavs and Water work with no regenerated work elsewhere?

Serious potential for downgrading with no guaranteed Station and Status Employment protection.

If you read the UAL contract, there is now no limit on PT. ORD went from around 50 part timers to hundreds and the number continues to spike. It's going to be like UPS and a cash cow for the IAM since 2 part timers - double the dues from one full timer. Teamsters boosted their membership after that UPS deal in the 90s where 85% of Teamsters are part time. Tons more members. Teamsters are a part time union now. Same with SEIU.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I dont want to be around when they unleash those resources, no not me

Honestly, the only resources are a few kegs of beer and some nachos. There is nothing the Association can do due to various constitutions. And if they unleash their full resources that only means that they will allow Sito's son to do a new cost out of the economic figures and he will get quickly chomped and gobbled up by the seasoned professionals from Harvard and Yale that he will be sent in to do battle with. Kid just graduated from a half baked school. To think we fired the Labor B to replace him with Sito's son as our "Transportation Chief Economist" is just thoroughly insulting but everything that is wrong with a union that is run by morons who have no formal education other than some uncredited piece of paper from the AFLCIO school.

 

[Tim Nelson]

But P. Rez is 100% right irregardless of anyone’s feelings on where the money is going. Their Pension is a fixed cost that the Company wants to now change over to a variable cost mix and the lower Members are on the wage scales, the less they’ll get by comparison.

Again I’m going to try to stay out of the weeds of all the asinine arguments I’ve been reading here the last few weeks but as a total cost to the Company I’m sure they know they could be gaining a decent advantage with the switch?

Not to also mention those costs go lower after 5000 of us or so have attritioned out and those that come in aren’t earning what I earn.

Prez never addresses the 33% part time who only get 2% retirement contributions from the company. I mean, the only math that matters is .65 per hour for 25 hours x 52 weeks. So you are fine with about $750 a year going into your retirement? And you do realize that at only 25 hours a week, the IAM penalizes them and only gives them partial credit insomuch that their pension benefit is only around $35 multiplier.

The reality of what you are saying is that it is a lie or just ignorant. What the company has offered, i.e., 9% retirement far exceeds the 2%-5% that the majority of workers have right now. Never mind that the pension contribution is capped at only regular hours, i.e., 40 hours for full time, and 25 hours for a 25 hour shift.

Remember, most part timers work 40+ hours a week weez but the company only pays a couple quarters per hour for only 25 hours. All other hours are 'free' for the company. Same with full time. Company doesn't have to pay ANYTHING and is getting a free ride with all of us after it reaches its normal regular hour mark. This encourages the company to want MORE part time. It loves paying only .65 for only 25 hours, then not paying squat for retirement.

You need to get back to the drawing board Weez, I was thinking the extra time off allowed you to properly research.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Since Bob never addressed his statement that the union was lying about all of those jobs, I'm a current lean that Prez is telling the truth or close to it since the company presentation only said that there would be "No layoffs resulting from streamlining its operation." That is company code for layoffs. 100% of the time they say that, after a ratification, everyone gets laid off for other reasons. WIth less work, there WILL BE layoffs Bob. You realize that, yes? What little we know about this offer, low seniority folks are going to be hammered with virtually no chance to get a full time job. Others will be laid off.

 

[robbedagain]

Tim. The pt at ord do they work in similar to clt back to back or is it done by the way its suppose to. I know u said in clt their pt do 3 shifts etc

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim. The pt at ord do they work in similar to clt back to back or is it done by the way its suppose to. I know u said in clt their pt do 3 shifts etc

The part time in ORD UNited is back to back. Klemm refused to arbitrate it as well as the CLT back to back. At LUS ORD, we don't have much part time. We have around 75 full timers and I think 10 part timers. There is one shift in the morning, then one closing shift that comes in at 4pm. But when I was Local Chairman, we always grieved and won at least 2 hours between shifts. The rule of thumb that Harbison had was 'one hour'. It was a agreement between Miklavic and Harbison as neither would arbitrate. I bitched about it so I always got 2 hours, prolly because Miklavic was tired of my biatching.

The problem for the company is that a Full time shift is both 8 hours and 10 hours. So, it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for the company to win that one when they have them back to back. Baskett balked on this in this forum. Now management is planting it up our arses with back to back to back in CLT. Fairbanks had Mr Baskett stand down. Unfortunately, Mark yields to Fairbanks because he swore allegiance to him for the gig.

 

[WeAAsles]

With fri-sat off, ya chatch em all. As far as lavs, and water, I never heard that was on the table.

Since you think P. Rez and CB are both liars maybe you should verify that information through your most trusted Company representative?

Again slapping a “When and where so directed” rather than an absolute to the language of any job function provides the Company with the ability to shift that work to someone else.

You wouldn’t have to worry about Water Bob as you have Water cabinets right there on the gate and don’t rely on the use of Water Trucks or pullable Water Carts.

But the Lav Jobs are a different story entirely.

 

[robbedagain]

Thx Tim. Is 6 hours still the max hrs for pt to be scheduled

 

[WeAAsles]

Those are great questions! I hope your NC is demanding the answers. We all hear what items "cost" the company; we rarely hear what they stand to gain.

I’ve heard the amount is about 10 Million Dollars?

Why would you assume any of the Negotiators would not do their due diligence gaining as many financial answers as best they can from the Company.

I’d consider that to be a given.