American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

look at the other end in what the company might potentially 'lose'. the mediator could suggest that the company open up it's profits, ala dl. if parker is correct that this company will soon realize an additional $1.5+ billion in post-merger synergies and also receive an additional $800 million a year from the credit card deals....then yes, we are on pace for yearly $3 billion-$7 billion yearly profits.

those profit sharing checks take from upper mngt. and investors and add to our wealth. does the company want this to happen?

if you dismiss this as impossible, then the company would be morons to negotiate...just let this drag on forever. i'll admit that labor is behind the 8-ball since the 1970s, but the usa is not a corporatist state yet.

there is a downside to the company playing hard-ball.

if the company plays hard ball (i doubt it) then there simply wont be any engaged mediation for years. the company simply isnt obligated to mediation plus most contracts get settled with no mediation. the union can make an appeal for mediation but what could be the reason?

and personally, i wouldnt think a mediator would b a union lean since the company has already offered much more than dl or ua.

Neither mediation or arbitration would be favorable to us imo. leverage to the company.

there is a reason why the company's last offer forced us not to seek any public sympathy.

 

[WeAAsles]

yeah, but what about the insurance???

Crema for me I say let’s shut up about it and let our Negotiators handle it. The Company did mention the changeover for 2020 as their “online offer” and it serves zero purpose for us to distract from our Negotiators trying to get us the best possible Medical offerings they can.

All we do on here sometimes is play armchair Quarterbacks.

 

[B737 driver]

First I believe Section 6 needs to be triggered. And Section 6 is just a procedure within the RLA to try to eventually reach some type of conclusion to Collective Bargaining Negotiations.

What makes you comment that through that process the Company “will” get more of what they want? How do you suppose that?

And although many things will be thrown at people here by people who really aren’t doing the research and are trying to pull on emotions there simply is no rationality that says any parties will begin talks starting from scratch and striking all the work “mutually agreed to” over the past two years.

Common sense demands we don’t believe that kind of ridiculousness.

You might has well just request section 6. It won't change anything already agreed to. It will just move the talks along. It's not like you are changing unions and starting all over again.

 

[WeAAsles]

You might has well just request section 6. It won't change anything already agreed to. It will just move the talks along. It's not like you are changing unions and starting all over again.

Thank you driver exactly. It won’t change anything already agreed to. But we’re also not at the point where we can petition for those Section 6 talks yet.

I do firmly believe the Company will modify their offers officially before then and we’ll see what happens?

This whole thing is still extremely similar to how Negotiations took place in the past with the CWA PSA. They also were at loggerheads and talking tough when suddenly BAM they had a deal.

It might be how they always make the play?

 

[AANOTOK]

First I believe Section 6 needs to be triggered. And Section 6 is just a procedure within the RLA to try to eventually reach some type of conclusion to Collective Bargaining Negotiations.

What makes you comment that through that process the Company “will” get more of what they want? How do you suppose that?

And although many things will be thrown at people here by people who really aren’t doing the research and are trying to pull on emotions there simply is no rationality that says any parties will begin talks starting from scratch and striking all the work “mutually agreed to” over the past two years.

Common sense demands we don’t believe that kind of ridiculousness.

W, that's what's so great about IMO (IN MY OPINION). It is a simple opinion, but of course leave it to you who thinks he knows whats in everybody's head. Right, I'm trying to pull on emotions. That would be a waste of my time W.
Are you really that messed up that my comment was trying to change three of the five people who actually read this forum...WOW is all I can say. Dude, you will never change. By the way, where did I say anything about starting over.
Is everything T/A'd? Stop playing with my emotions, W...LMAO!

 

[AANOTOK]

look at the other end in what the company might potentially 'lose'. the mediator could suggest that the company open up it's profits, ala dl. if parker is correct that this company will soon realize an additional $1.5+ billion in post-merger synergies and also receive an additional $800 million a year from the credit card deals....then yes, we are on pace for yearly $3 billion-$7 billion yearly profits.

those profit sharing checks take from upper mngt. and investors and add to our wealth. does the company want this to happen?

if you dismiss this as impossible, then the company would be morons to negotiate...just let this drag on forever. i'll admit that labor is behind the 8-ball since the 1970s, but the usa is not a corporatist state yet.

there is a downside to the company playing hard-ball.

Absolutely, could happen...nothing like giving an opinion (mine) and being totally wrong and it benefits me greatly.
Weaasles has problems thinking people he disagree's with has ulterior motives.

 

[WeAAsles]

W, that's what's so great about IMO (IN MY OPINION). It is a simple opinion, but of course leave it to you who thinks he knows whats in everybody's head. Right, I'm trying to pull on emotions. That would be a waste of my time W.
Are you really that messed up that my comment was trying to change three of the five people who actually read this forum...WOW is all I can say. Dude, you will never change. By the way, where did I say anything about starting over.
Is everything T/A'd? Stop playing with my emotions, W...LMAO!

Aw c’mon man PLEASE. I just ASKED you a question is all.

“What makes you comment that through that process the Company “will” get more of what they want? How do you suppose that?”

The rest were just “generalized” comments for the board. It wasn’t meant for you and you know that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Absolutely, could happen...nothing like giving an opinion (mine) and being totally wrong and it benefits me greatly.
Weaasles has problems thinking people he disagree's with has ulterior motives.

You see. NO, I KNOW “you” don’t have an ulterior motive.

Others here do (IMO)

 

[AANOTOK]

Aw c’mon man PLEASE. I just ASKED you a question is all.

“What makes you comment that through that process the Company “will” get more of what they want? How do you suppose that?”

The rest were just “generalized” comments for the board. It wasn’t meant for you and you know that.

No W, I didn't know that...but OK. Just think Doug could hold a grudge and pull some things back is all. No mind altering fear tactic, just real simple opinion that doesn't need to be chastised.

 

[ALUS78]

look at the other end in what the company might potentially 'lose'. the mediator could suggest that the company open up it's profits, ala dl. if parker is correct that this company will soon realize an additional $1.5+ billion in post-merger synergies and also receive an additional $800 million a year from the credit card deals....then yes, we are on pace for yearly $3 billion-$7 billion yearly profits.

those profit sharing checks take from upper mngt. and investors and add to our wealth. does the company want this to happen?

if you dismiss this as impossible, then the company would be morons to negotiate...just let this drag on forever. i'll admit that labor is behind the 8-ball since the 1970s, but the usa is not a corporatist state yet.

there is a downside to the company playing hard-ball.

What happens if the mediator realizes AA has 50,000 more employees than its nearest competitor.Don't forget the pilots group was seperate for years.

 

[ALUS78]

Tim does the association have any leverage at all??

 

[WeAAsles]

No W, I didn't know that...but OK. Just think Doug could hold a grudge and pull some things back is all. No mind altering fear tactic, just real simple opinion that doesn't need to be chastised.

Not chastising you, not going to chastise you. Disagreeing is not chastising.

I don’t think Parker or the BOD conduct Business through they’re emotions.

 

[robbedagain]

Isnt there a rep from the NMB already on the sidelines? If so cant he/she give suggestions now or does he/she have to wait for approval

 

[WeAAsles]

Food for thought.

In the beginning Jerry Glass said to Harry Lombardo “Why don’t you just take one or the other contract and we’ll just give you the money”

The Company knew that very green pastures were on the horizon.

Now at the end of the day however a deal winds up being struck doesn’t matter until we vote on them and pass. The Association can accept anything the Company offers it, try to sell it up or down with all sorts of Roadshows and colorful mailings. But at the end of the day the decision is still ours to make.

What leverage does the Association have?

Well the Company is not getting the full synergies of the Merger until we’re all under the same contracts. They say the proposal will cost them hundreds of millions but those synergies will also save them hundreds of millions. That includes the Maintenance programs, IT and payroll, and maybe shifting workers around after buyouts. And those buyouts will save them many millions as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

Isnt there a rep from the NMB already on the sidelines? If so cant he/she give suggestions now or does he/she have to wait for approval

Exactly again robbed. Linda Patchula was already requested and accepted to join in any talks as needed and offer her support, suggestions and recommendations.

Triggering Section 6 would be nothing more than a formality to establishing a timeline to journey through the RLA process.

And currently we don’t have the Company’s arms twisted behind their backs any more than they have our arms twisted behind our backs either.