Why do they keep digging themselves a deeper hole with each update.Doesnt the IAM have a PR department that could tone things down.Man people are going to be pissed when they lose insurance
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Well there is a lot of chest and desk pounding going on and it looks like they will have egg on their faces. I look at section 6 and its possible duration as a complete failur
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Who is going to have egg on their faces Al? What you don’t seem to get is we’re the ones who ultimately vote to pass whatever is sent out to us. And if we vote no well that’s a failure on both the Company and the Union (If they endorsed it)
I could have sworn you said it was crap just the other day? Didn’t you say something to that effect?
And again not ONE person refuted those reasons I stated that it would fail if presented to us as is? I broke it down to give examples WHY it would fail. Where’s the poster who’s going to break it down to tell me why I’m wrong?
WOW.
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BTW you’re single and have 40 years (wow) with the Company. You don’t care about the Medical or Deicing or Catering or anything else for that matter with your time in the dump.
You also it seems pretty much hate Unions so of course your point of view is biased against that they would be the failure to you.
I’d just like to know what you would do to solve this? You have 40 years of knowledge to draw on. You don’t need any of us Children to figure it out for you.
What would be YOUR plan Al?
on their faces Al? What you don’t seem to get is we’re the ones who ultimately vote to pass whatever is sent out to us. And if we vote no well that’s a failure on both the Company and the Union (If they endorsed it)
I could have sworn you said it was crap just the other day? Didn’t you say something to that effect?
And again not ONE person refuted those reasons I stated that it would fail if presented to us as is? I broke it down to give examples WHY it would fail. Where’s the poster who’s going to break it down to tell me why I’m wrong?
WOW.[/QUOTE]
Weez they are pounding their primate chests saying we are going to fight(rah rah) and keep our health insurance.Well I dont think so.Its like a boxer predicting a 1st round knock out and then getting his butt kicked.At times you are blind to anything the union does.
I could have sworn you said it was crap just the other day? Didn’t you say something to that effect?
And again not ONE person refuted those reasons I stated that it would fail if presented to us as is? I broke it down to give examples WHY it would fail. Where’s the poster who’s going to break it down to tell me why I’m wrong?
WOW.[/QUOTE]
Weez they are pounding their primate chests saying we are going to fight(rah rah) and keep our health insurance.Well I dont think so.Its like a boxer predicting a 1st round knock out and then getting his butt kicked.At times you are blind to anything the union does.
First of all I wouldnt promise anything I can't deliver thats a bad thing to do with kids too its called getting their hopes up
Secondly I would get Sito out and Timmy in
Seek out NYer as an adviser would be a good idea he doesn't allow his emotion to get involved
Hire Bob as entertainment director and pay special attention to his brilliant opinions
Fire your ass as JetBlue recruiter
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Weez they are pounding their primate chests saying we are going to fight(rah rah) and keep our health insurance.Well I dont think so.Its like a boxer predicting a 1st round knock out and then getting his butt kicked.At times you are blind to anything the union does.[/QUOTE]
Al can you show me and maybe I’m wrong, someplace where the Association has said they’re going to “fight” and “keep” the lower Medical?
They made a statement they’re going to “keep” the Medical, the Jobs and everything else?
Ok yea they are tough talking in updates and some of the videos. Would you rather they play with Kittens and Wool balls?
Weez they are pounding their primate chests saying we are going to fight(rah rah) and keep our health insurance.Well I dont think so.Its like a boxer predicting a 1st round knock out and then getting his butt kicked.At times you are blind to anything the union does.[/QUOTE]
Al can you show me and maybe I’m wrong, someplace where the Association has said they’re going to “fight” and “keep” the lower Medical?
They made a statement they’re going to “keep” the Medical, the Jobs and everything else?
Ok yea they are tough talking in updates and some of the videos. Would you rather they play with Kittens and Wool balls?
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Yea exactly what I figured. You ain’t got an answer you fall back into class clown mode.
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There are so many moving parts to this that often some of the pieces are trivialized.
Most should read the actual language before they made a decision but that isn't always the case as many just look at the shiny object in front of them. Knowing this is the case, there should be more time and effort put into informing and educating the members as to all the moving parts. We have two unions with each bringing their priorities and their own culture.
Can you remember any communication or effort taken to discuss those differences in an attempt to understand the other side? Not really.
As it stands, there was a lot of work done to make it seem we were closer to a deal than we were and some of us brought out that fact. When we did, it didn't cause an intellectual discussion; it just brought out partisan attacks. If we had discussed all the possibilities of what we could face maybe we could have also considered what to do when or if each action presented itself.
Instead, we ignored what others had to say because it didn't seem possible or because others with a title had a different opinion making the rest of us subject to ridicule and name-calling by those that support the title rather than the information.
In the meantime, we ignore the different point of view as we are inundated with positions that are supposed to fit everyone, and if we don't agree with the fit, then there must be something wrong with us. Shouldn't be that way.
For the majority to get the best possible deal, we need to listen to all sides and all points of view because if we don't the alienated group becomes much more significant than any other and they have the power to grab the shiny object just the get it over with.
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Again show me IN WRITING where they “promised” anything? I went through this same crap with another poster who again NEVER produced anything with the word “promise” on it.
The Union Leaders aren’t as stupid as you think they are Al. When they write things they’re very careful how those words are crafted so they don’t come back to bite them on the ass.
Now your turn. Find me that “promised” land?
I’ll be waiting as usual.
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