American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Its okay Tim explained everything to me.We handle a lot of 175 here also and Envoy is here so there is some concern.Plus we just hired a bunch and so dod Envoy

One thing i wanna be clear on is that if the company isnt bluffing and then does draw blood then they blew their wad and leverage changes as our members will in fact be ape chit enraged and its a lose lose from there. lose for the company as well. not good for this industry. but sito never ever calls a bluff. he just flips and takes less than what was originally offered. madness.

 

[P. REZ]

I'll put this to rest right now,

Its not going to happen, and you can cross your little piggy toes, but....not going to happen.

So, you wouldn't vote yourself out of a job but others you would. I hope you get what you deserve someday.

P. Rez

 

[Jester]

As of Jan:
TPA 5412
ATL 5309
SAT 4788
SJU 4366

I think both TPA and ATL are represented by both IAM and TWU within those stations, but I am unsure as to cross-utilization language and practices, and are there any protections not to furlough during negotiations? Also what does that number represent? Main line flights into station (regardless if it is LUS or LAA metal) or does it count LUS and LAA metal seperately or which group of FSCs are working the flights regardless of metal?

 

[NYer]

A proposal not a FU we are doing it

Is there a difference? Job loss is job loss, no?

 

[NYer]

I think both TPA and ATL are represented by both IAM and TWU within those stations, but I am unsure as to cross-utilization language and practices, and are there any protections not to furlough during negotiations? Also what does that number represent? Main line flights into station (regardless if it is LUS or LAA metal) or does it count LUS and LAA metal seperately or which group of FSCs are working the flights regardless of metal?

LAA metal.

Cross-utilization doesn't have any bearing in staffing as a TWU city.

It may be improbable, but the language is there so it is a possibility if for nothing else but to gain leverage in getting a vote.

It's easy for us to decide it won't happen but it is a different scenario, with consequences, for those that may have to make a decision if this scenario plays out.

 

[ALUS78]

Is there a difference? Job loss is job loss, no?

True but how you get there might make a difference attrition is easier to take than a straight lay off but in this enviroment we shouldnt have to deal with either

 

[737823]

How may this come to play?

"During these negotiations, we agreed that the following seventeen (17) stations will continue to be staffed with TWU represented employees following the implementation of Article 1(c). Those stations will remain staffed, with TWU represented Fleet Service employees, so long as the annual departures are at or above 2555 from the effective date of this agreement up to the day prior to the amendable date.

ATL, JFK, MIA, STL, AUS, LAS, ORD, TPA, BOS, LAX, SAT, DCA, LGA, SFO, DFW, MCO, SJU

Beyond the amendable date, Article 1(c) will apply.

Article 1(c): The Company will continue to assign American Airlines TWU represented employees in classifications designated by the Company to all stations wherein such TWU represented employees are assigned currently with 5475 and above annual departures and will staff new cities (those not currently staffed by the TWU) at or above 7300 annual departures. The Company will also re-staff former TWU staffed cities that have been de-staffed once those cities reach 7300 and above annual departures.

As of Jan:
TPA 5412
ATL 5309
SAT 4788
SJU 4366

In thought it was five (5) stations in danger based on the language. Did STL gain a few marginal flights to push it over?

Josh

 

[ALUS78]

One thing i wanna be clear on is that if the company isnt bluffing and then does draw blood then they blew their wad and leverage changes as our members will in fact be ape chit enraged and its a lose lose from there. lose for the company as well. not good for this industry. but sito never ever calls a bluff. he just flips and takes less than what was originally offered. madness.

We handle a bunch of 175s at LGA too so its more bodies than you mention

 

[NYer]

In thought it was five (5) stations in danger based on the language. Did STL gain a few marginal flights to push it over?

Josh

As of January, they're over the threshold.

 

[NYer]

True but how you get there might make a difference attrition is easier to take than a straight lay off but in this enviroment we shouldnt have to deal with either

We shouldn't.

Would it be presented as avoidable with a JCBA?

Has the potential to makes things a little sticky.

 

[737823]

As of January, they're over the threshold.

If the LLCers last 100% station went away what would happen?

Would there only be 25% and 4/10 cities pursuant to the original Kasher award and AAs current operations?

Josh

 

[Jester]

LAA metal.

Cross-utilization doesn't have any bearing in staffing as a TWU city.

It may be improbable, but the language is there so it is a possibility if for nothing else but to gain leverage in getting a vote.

It's easy for us to decide it won't happen but it is a different scenario, with consequences, for those that may have to make a decision if this scenario plays out.

Pardon me for asking, but where to you obtain this information which is current? I know it must be especially difficult with the aircraft swaps on any given day between LAA and LUS metal, so simply looking at a given day and multiplying it out for the year would be suspect, not to mention, seasonal changes in flight schedules.

 

[737823]

Pardon me for asking, but where to you obtain this information which is current? I know it much be especially difficult with the aircraft swaps on any given day between LAA and LUS metal, so simply looking at a given day and multiplying it out for the year would be suspect, not to mention, seasonal changes in flight schedules.

He gets it from the TWU directly every six months in January & July.

Josh

 

[Racer X]

LAA metal.

Cross-utilization doesn't have any bearing in staffing as a TWU city.

It may be improbable, but the language is there so it is a possibility if for nothing else but to gain leverage in getting a vote.

It's easy for us to decide it won't happen but it is a different scenario, with consequences, for those that may have to make a decision if this scenario plays out.

I believe Cross utilization does come into play. When we entered into the interim wage agreement the association got language that secured the jobs in any station where cross utilization is used. So as long as A station implemented the cross utilization language that station should be protected.

 

[P. REZ]

Update

Why do I say this is a cost negative or neutral offer from the company? I mean, the company is offering 24 cents an hour, shift differential of 61 cents or so, Crew Chief pay up to $2.20, another week of vacation, 10 holidays, 10 sick days and up to 9% 401k. Am I high or something? No!!

The company wants to cut a minimum of 17% of association jobs, cut pension payments to a third of association members which range from 5.5% to 11.3% depending on where the employee is on the wage scale, increase insurance costs dramatically to a third of the association members and they want the ability to have many more part time employees which could replace hundreds if not thousands of full time jobs with part time jobs.

P. Rez