American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[AANOTOK]

Associations job just got tougher.

You mean section 6 just became more likely.

 

[NYer]

Yeah we gained 17.5% pay reduction, loss of longevity and sick pay. There was only loss and no gain. You lost none of the other stuff.

Fleet passed their CBA before the 20% was lowered to the 17%.

Maintenance controlled their process anda voted for their own CBA. Master of fact, wasn't maintenance the only group in TWU to vote against their first BK TA?

The finger pointing really is getting old.

 

[ALUS78]

You mean section 6 just became more likely.

Thats going to be up to the ass company will now come back with a better offer really no reasonf for TWU fleet to say no.MTC they may want too.many jobs

 

[NYer]

You mean section 6 just became more likely.

Still think it's the likelier outcome, but when the airline finally gives an official counter proposal to Association the calls for transparency (on TWU side) may get louder.

Delta just took one of the complaints off the table but it still seems the target would be UA +3%

 

[ALUS78]

Still think it's the likelier outcome, but when the airline finally gives an official counter proposal to Association the calls for transparency (on TWU side) may get louder.

Delta just took one of the complaints off the table but it still seems the target would be UA +3%

Will get louder

 

[ALUS78]

Still think it's the likelier outcome, but when the airline finally gives an official counter proposal to Association the calls for transparency (on TWU side) may get louder.

Delta just took one of the complaints off the table but it still seems the target would be UA +3%

And if the TWU doesnt agree to a vote they won't be doing what is best fot their people

 

[AANOTOK]

Fleet passed their CBA before the 20% was lowered to the 17%.

Maintenance controlled their process anda voted for their own CBA. Master of fact, wasn't maintenance the only group in TWU to vote against their first BK TA?

The finger pointing really is getting old.

So if Sito or whoever makes that decision were to bring something out for a vote, I'm still of the belief it would pass fairly easily, even with LUS medical gone. Then, I could only imagine the finger pointing that would begin.

 

[AANOTOK]

And if the TWU doesnt agree to a vote they won't be doing what is best fot their people

So what happens if TWU NC wants a vote and the IAM doesn't, unanimous or nothing?

 

[AANOTOK]

By the way NYer, rumor is (from this forum) an update on the equity is coming out tomorrow, can you verify that?

 

[NYer]

So if Sito or whoever makes that decision were to bring something out for a vote, I'm still of the belief it would pass fairly easily, even with LUS medical gone. Then, I could only imagine the finger pointing that would begin.

Because there was no work done to bring the two sides together to better understand each other's positions, there will be finger pointing regardless.

 

[robbedagain]

If ur right Tim that Sito gave up LUS health i wld like to see validation of it. If not then how do we know if its true true or what?

 

[NYer]

By the way NYer, rumor is (from this forum) an update on the equity is coming out tomorrow, can you verify that?

I can verify that's the plan.

Don't think it will be the update most are hoping for such as "how much" and "when"?

That being said, I don't have insight as to the content other than its an update.

 

[AANOTOK]

I can verify that's the plan.

Don't think it will be the update most are hoping for such as "how much" and "when"?

That being said, I don't have insight as to the content other than its an update.

Thanks

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Fleet passed their CBA before the 20% was lowered to the 17%.

Maintenance controlled their process anda voted for their own CBA. Master of fact, wasn't maintenance the only group in TWU to vote against their first BK TA?

The finger pointing really is getting old.

Finger pointing? Was the TWU responsible for "Negotiating" the 2003 debacle? Was and is the TWU Airtransport Division dominated by Fleet? I was there and I am still living under the concessions. We had a meeting with Jim Little and when he was asked why AMTs were being forced more concessions than others he claimed everyone got the same. When it was pointed out that not only did we take a higher pay cut but lost longevity and sick pay too he again claimed we all lost the same. Then when it was asked why we had to give up sick pay he said they wanted to take our license pay. Since we are the only ones with licenses and no other group has them we were on the hook for that value along with the other concessions. So no we did not all lose the same. It is what it is and what is done is done. I am not wanting that to happen again where the AMTs get hosed and the TWU tries to say we didn't. I'm sure if we were offered full sick pay like you never lost though you would want equal value even though you never lost it right? That is part of the problem. We should get everything back that Fleet never lost before anyone else gets a single thing. And since you didn't have to give it up we should not have to give something up to get it. If you disagree with that then that is Exhibit A on why we need to separate. Are you going to agree that we should get sick pay and longevity without Fleet getting something of equal value? I didn't think so.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Let me make this clear.... AMTs need to accept some blame also for not getting away when we had the chance. Although the TWU got help from the company and then from the Teamsters and the company we still should have gotten it done. One thing that we tend to forget about is that even if we were in separate unions we could and would help each other. If Fleet set up a picket line we would honor it just like you would honor ours. As I said we have different issues that affect us and different ideas on what is and isn't most important. As much as I disagree and as much as I do not like being in the association or the TWU I would still fight for you guys in Fleet and do what I had to do as a union man. I can't change the present situation and so I can only give my opinion on what I think would be a better one. I honestly think it would benefit both groups. Again just my opinion.