American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[Tim Nelson]

Another fun loving fact about the Association.

The fiduciary duty is with the Collective Bargaining Agent, which is the Association. The Associaiton would possibly be in a legal crisis if it allowed non members to mimic or act like the authority that comes with the Collective Bargaining Agent. Remember, the TWU and IAM extinguished their certifications. The Association is NOT an AFLCIO union either. No charter. Nothing. It can be raided upon by any opportunist union. Even a fellow AFLCIO union can pounce on it. Just like the CWA/IBT, it's not a AFLCIO Chartered. Robert Roach asked me to get involved raiding that union when I was Director.

IMO, the Association has a very short lifespan as both Alex and Sito are in charge of a complete disaster and have little time left before the Mechanics bolt or start thieir card drive. IMO, Alex Garcia has been the glue that kicks this can down the road. I don't know the man but his loyalty to Sito, LUS health care, and the IAM pension are unyielding and I appreciate all of it except his loyalty to the IAM Pension. All of this to the detriment of his own members but it doesn't affect us at LUS. His sidekick and the sidekicks handlers will be scrambling "Soon". Trust me. This thing is fixing to blow up and the handlers will have no choice but to support a VERY unpopular decision that is going to happen. Lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Association is a better option than having endless card drives and two sides going at each other's throats for the next few years.

Unfortunately, the entire thing has been poorly handled from almost the very beginning.

And that's the problem. The deceit, and then using sidekicks to mock and make fun of the unionist who are standing in the gap and serving members. The members won't be mocked. Things are fixing to pop.
They have decided to attack myself and 2 or 3 other professionals who would have already closed out an industry leading contract that enhanced and advanced our current contracts.

Having Alex and Sito is sorta like having Jimmy Carter negotiate against Iran. They did their best and it failed. It's time for them to step aside and allow experts to go in there. I'd offer my professional expertise but they are just too damn stubborn, man. They stubborn. God knows they stubborn especially to those who are smarter and better equipped. Sad.

 

[ALUS78]

My gut tells me (or maybe it's Tim) that something is in the works between AA and the Executive Committee. Not gonna venture a guess, not gonna do it, but something is coming down the pike.
IMO

Disclaimer: I posted this at the risk of being labeled a TN Troll.

>????<

You should be so honored I wear the moniker proudly

 

[WeAAsles]

The Association is a better option than having endless card drives and two sides going at each other's throats for the next few years.

Unfortunately, the entire thing has been poorly handled from almost the very beginning.

No it absolutely was handled poorly from the very beginning when the Members didn’t get to vote if they wanted an Association in the first place.

It set up animosity on both sides that many are never going to even try to get rid of.

 

[Rusty Hilock]

why? if jet fuel burns aa back to bk, what will it do to delta?

does delta really get free jet fuel?

Are you really serious after all the time I've spent talking about AAL DEBT and Pension PAYMENTS coming Due in the next 24-36 months?

 

[NYer]

Are you really serious after all the time I've spent talking about AAL DEBT and Pension PAYMENTS coming Due in the next 24-36 months?

Debt isn't always bad.

 

[charlie Brown]

The Negotiating Committee is in name only. All the meetings are either with the Director and Vice-Director or the Executive Committee.

I assume you are making this statement since the executive team took over. I can assure you the negotiating team was involved in many meetings directly with the company. Your team versions of 1 - 4 would agree to this. You come along now as version what? 6 ? for the twu negotiating team, and yes I would agree, now all meetings are done with the executive team. But it hasn’t been “ all “ since day one.

 

[NYer]

I assume you are making this statement since the executive team took over. I can assure you the negotiating team was involved in many meetings directly with the company. Your team versions of 1 - 4 would agree to this. You come along now as version what? 6 ? for the twu negotiating team, and yes I would agree, now all meetings are done with the executive team. But it hasn’t been “ all “ since day one.

Does the statement say since day one? No, it doesn't.

Don't take the statement out of context.

 

[AANOTOK]

I assume you are making this statement since the executive team took over. I can assure you the negotiating team was involved in many meetings directly with the company. Your team versions of 1 - 4 would agree to this. You come along now as version what? 6 ? for the twu negotiating team, and yes I would agree, now all meetings are done with the executive team. But it hasn’t been “ all “ since day one.

Down the pike....CB...something coming down the pike?

 

[AANOTOK]

Also CB, in all honesty, even though you guys are the Association's NC, does the Exec Comm keep things from you guys??

 

[charlie Brown]

Tim how does the negotiating committee react to the proposal being put out and them being bypassed?

We don’t react.

Does the statement say since day one? No, it doesn't.

Don't take the statement out of context.

No it doesn’t say day one. But Imo your statement was misleading, so a i was just clarifying

 

[charlie Brown]

Down the pike....CB...something coming down the pike?

Ok. We will see

 

[Tim Nelson]

I assume you are making this statement since the executive team took over. I can assure you the negotiating team was involved in many meetings directly with the company. Your team versions of 1 - 4 would agree to this. You come along now as version what? 6 ? for the twu negotiating team, and yes I would agree, now all meetings are done with the executive team. But it hasn’t been “ all “ since day one.

That's not bad. We need some fresh faces in there. You guys haven't done squat. Myself and other professionals could wrap things up swiftly and further the contract. What we have now is your madness. Having you and the other clowns in there are like having Larry, Curly and the other dude. Just awful.

Hey but even though you will be boning us, at least you get that $25 daily per diem for being home and that extra cash to wine and dine peeps along with your free health care and extra pension. Gosh forbid you ever step out of line. Fairbanks wouldn't allow you.
Sheesh!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The Association is a better option than having endless card drives and two sides going at each other's throats for the next few years.

Unfortunately, the entire thing has been poorly handled from almost the very beginning.

Smh. The Association is arguably the biggest mistake in the history of organized labor. Absolutely ZERO consideration given to the memberships wishes. It is and always will be an illegitimate and largely unwanted "representative".

 

[charlie Brown]

Also CB, in all honesty, even though you guys are the Association's NC, does the Exec Comm keep things from you guys??

Some on here would like you to think that. But the fact on the IAM side is we are briefed on everything going on. We also will approve or not approve if an agreement comes out or not, so knowing that, it’s either inform us as we go, or inform us when we have 100 questions before we decide to put anything out or not. Sito and Alex doesn’t know the feel of the membership, the negating team does. So we will be the ones to inform them if something is good enough for our members to vote on. That’s speaking for the IAM side anyway.