American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

I completely agree with you regarding corporations under funding in-house pension obligations. It's almost criminal as the pension funding would be part of employee compensation, thus I have little patience for on-going business concerns who file BK, then dump their unfunded pension obligations. However, as far as I know, the Company has not defaulted on its $1.05/hour obligation for all LUS FSC's (and MX?), so the money has been provided to the IAMNPF, per the agreement.

Frankly, and naively, I assumed if the funds were placed within a separate, 3rd party trustee with fiduciary obligations (IAMNPF) the retirement benefits were secure. Part of me was thinking one way, but with enough finance/accounting background as I read the reports, I sensed the future was becoming rocky. Pension accounting under the rules of GAAP and FASB would be akin to a black magic for which only those well-initiated in the art truly understand the details. Now I recognize we have been duped by the IAMNPF hucksters promoting "Green Zone" making our pension among the top plans in the country to be absolute horse $h!+.

I truly am sorry that the IAMNPF did not live up to the expectations people may have had for it when it was first offered to all of you at LUS.

Like I said I’m curious if the Company will chose the “Preferred Schedule” or the “Default Schedule” when the time comes to make that decision?

 

[WeAAsles]

Just make sure they stay within the lines so its neat

I think they need to kick up the pay a bit.

Again I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to understand the language so your response always needs to be a smart ass dig as your defense mechanism.

It’s really all you’re good at to be honest.

 

[WeAAsles]

In 2010 we voted down a raise, sick time, personal days etc etc

Not even 2 full years after Great Recession at time when there was 9.6 unemployment, because it wasn’t restore and more. Then we have union guys saying he’s ok with his pay. AA flys outside Oklahoma and Texas I don’t want to hear from an old union guy who lives in low cost of living area getting two paychecks that he’s ok with his pay.

At what point do we actually accept a pay raise.

I don’t know about Maintenance and Related but in Fleet the offered language is far too destructive to be accepted.

Unfortunately this is going to have to continue on.

 

[ALUS78]

Again I’m sorry you’re not smart enough to understand the language so your response always needs to be a smart ass dig as your defense mechanism.

It’s really all you’re good at to be honest.

Actually i wouldnt say good mediocre at best

 

[iluvaa]

I truly am sorry that the IAMNPF did not live up to the expectations people may have had for it when it was first offered to all of you at LUS.

Like I said I’m curious if the Company will chose the “Preferred Schedule” or the “Default Schedule” when the time comes to make that decision?

What do you mean by preferred or default schedule. I Don’t know much about there plan

 

[ATD]

Actually it will likely be the Association’s Lawyers who will be putting it together but I can understand your cheap shots since you’re obviously not intelligent enough yourself to understand the language.

I thought our negotiating committee was the one negotiating, now lawyers are writing our text proposal to be posted..
You rank right up there with Sito.Garcia and the other moron in the room.

 

[iluvaa]

I don’t know about Maintenance and Related but in Fleet the offered language is far too destructive to be accepted.

Unfortunately this is going to have to continue on.

Since the ❌ really bothers you, I’ll just say that I disagree you on this

 

[iluvaa]

Since the ❌ really bothers you, I’ll just say that I disagree you on this

Well crap you did say fleet my bad I take back my ❌ since I haven’t read the fleet proposal please accept my apologies

 

[2ndGENAMT]

It’s in the works.

The Association is forced by the companies action to let the members of the unions know what’s going on.

 

[WeAAsles]

What do you mean by preferred or default schedule. I Don’t know much about there plan

The IAMNPF is once again having difficulties. And no the TWU is not looking to be a part of the fund.

 

[WeAAsles]

I thought our negotiating committee was the one negotiating, now lawyers are writing our text proposal to be posted..
You rank right up there with Sito.Garcia and the other moron in the room.

I said “likely” maybe I should have said “probably”

All I know is that they are “supposedly” putting it together to be released.

My “opinion” is they will use the Lawyers to have it best written to be posted online? (Question Mark)

 

[WeAAsles]

Well crap you did say fleet my bad I take back my ❌ since I haven’t read the fleet proposal please accept my apologies

Thank you. The X doesn’t bother me when it’s for a particular reason or if it’s given to me by a nitwit. The X is given by nitwits because that’s all nitwits can do.

If I had made that comment in regards to your Maintenance Contracts I would have deserved every X people could throw at me.

Your Contract when it finally comes out is none of my business more so than maybe just being curious what you all think.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Association is forced by the companies action to let the members of the unions know what’s going on.

I would agree with that. The hand was called and the Company showed their cards. Now it’s the Association who needs to put their cards on the table.

 

[robbedagain]

robbed its exactly what we have now. You havent read the proposal. When and where directed only means we cant refuse charter work or we cant refuse to clean an airplane. it is additional work outside our already great scope.

Tim they took cleaning from us. Thats why im like vote no on the when n where directed . Given the chitty mgmt runnin aa i fig they wld take more from us using the when n where

 

[scorpion 2]

In 2010 we voted down a raise, sick time, personal days etc etc

Not even 2 full years after Great Recession at time when there was 9.6 unemployment, because it wasn’t restore and more. Then we have union guys saying he’s ok with his pay. AA flys outside Oklahoma and Texas I don’t want to hear from an old union guy who lives in low cost of living area getting two paychecks that he’s ok with his pay.

At what point do we actually accept a pay raise.

I remember that pathetic rag of a contract. You must have been part of the over 50 crowd that kept your retiree med. Those under 50 had to use their sick tick time to pay for it and the under 45 crowd got it shoved up their butts.
The scope in that deal was the worst excuse for scope we ever faced. It allowed the company to piece meal out maintenance with no recourse.
Oh,,, it did state that if the company subcontracted out say landing gear or component work and it impacted 20% or more of the total work force then the subcontractor would be obligated to hire those affected by the outsourced work.
You liked that contract?