Have you been on the DL forum lately? It's a ghost town...
Let me help you understand why, Kev.
They should rename this forum the Union Forums... Every thread turns into a union thing...
Five years after the merger, we still have a minority of people, most of which are not even DL employees who are trying to convince DL employees how bad they have it and have used the DL forum solely for that purpose.
Problem is that DL people see themselves as doing pretty good… and dividing a cool quarter of a billion dollars in profit sharing for just one quarter’s work doesn’t exactly further union organizer’s claims that DL employees are hurting. Add in that DL expects further profits this year that will be allocated to profit sharing on a 20% of earnings basis and it is really hard to argue that DL employees need unions, yet there are people who keep trying to push that agenda.
DL people are doing well because the company is kicking tails in the marketplace and is delivering a service that customers are willing to pay a premium to use. DL employees, just like their unionized counterparts at WN, get it and support their employers efforts and aren’t interested in messing with the formula that is helping them win and win big.
The DL forum is a ghost town in your mind because successful business issues don’t get a lot of press.
You see the same thing on the WN and B6 forums… UA is being kept alive right now based on an online inquisition of someone who is going to bat for his peers at another airline.
not sure given dl is gonna cut mem even more and over 100 folks out of jobs n all that without a union or scope
They will be offered jobs elsewhere just as has happened at other airlines. Many airline employees have voluntarily moved to advance their careers but it is apparently immoral to allow the company to ask an employee to move to retain their jobs.
You do realize that CBA’s were completely ineffective at retaining 5000 or so jobs at AA over the past two years? You also realize that the aforementioned inquisition of Tim Nelson is because UA refuses to provide anywhere close to the job security that they should offer? You do realize that even without CBAs, DL employees work at more airports than any other network carrier?
Get Help WT! Delta is doing great! Is that not enough for you? Why don't you go on Deltas forum and complain about AA? AA mgmt. has been asleep at the wheel the last 10 years (Im not sure that Arpey and his cronies were not intentionally sabotaging AA) and then preoccupied with Chapter 11, also UA has been preoccupied with a complicated merger. Both of these are about to end and im sure Delta's going to have some real competition. Are you having nightmares about AA and UA? Maybe you need a big Delta toy to sleep with? Do your pajamas have Delta widgets? If not than maybe you could get some! You seem to be worried about something?
I think you’re the one who is worried…. You seem preoccupied by what I do in sleep. Seems a tad “over the line” to me.
The real issue is that you and folks like AANOTOK are apparently afraid to know or hear the truth. After all, you gave at the office TWICE so you can just let concessions run their course and then you’ll get back to the business of making money as AA employees again, right?
Wrong.
The problem is that there are dynamics in the airline industry that were set up well before deregulation and which have been basically unchanged since. Among those are that AA and UA are the highest cost producers in the industry, which has meant a whole flock of airlines have continued to circle both to pick off prime revenue. Airlines are enough of a commodity provider that those with the lowest cost ultimately win. Sure, there is a size and revenue component that helps retain customers, all things being equal but there is no evidence that size or revenue synergies can overcome high costs.
And, 2 years after AMR entered BK, it is in exactly the same relative position as it was with respect to costs in the industry – undercut by the low cost carriers and, yes, by Delta. AA and UA have swapped positions over the years and likely will continue to do so, but two years after bankruptcy, AA does not have a cost advantage to DL or low fare carriers.
Given that AA and UA’s route system has been built around the largest and most heavily competitive cities in the US, being cost uncompetitive matters… a whole lot. The whole reason why AA continues to shrink at JFK is because they are undercut by B6 who has costs that are close to 20% lower than AA and by DL which continues to grow based in part on DL’s lower costs.
The same problem exists for AA in N. Texas as the Wright Amendment falls. As much as AApologists want to try to convince us otherwise, WN has a 15% of so CASM advantage over AA and can do significant damage to AA solely on the basis of focusing a relatively few resources in AA’s most lucrative markets where WN has been shown to be able to win over key revenue.
Not only do the latest quarterly reports show that DL has a 6% mainline cost advantage over AA but DL also has a significant revenue advantage to AA which continues to grow – as DL continues to focus its strategic efforts on winning AA’s key corporate revenue in markets like NYC-LHR where AA has long had a near monopoly. DL said on the conference call that margins for LHR are very strong and growing. That is not good news for AA. When DL says that its corporate revenue growth continues to outpace the industry esp. from NYC, that is not good for AA. Some of that growth is probably coming from UA but industry data clearly shows that DL’s revenue in NYC is growing at AA’s expense.
Now that AA and DL seem to be setting up for a pushing match in LAX and on the west coast, the long-term prospects for AA to hold onto its position in other large and strategically important markets are cloudy for anyone who wants to look at the facts.
The simple fact is that AA hasn’t successively competed in the highest profile markets on its network for years…. LHR and Latin America are limited access markets as is DFW. That is why the combination of the three all changing is very bad news for AA. Add in that they feel like they need to build a presence to Asia right now and they are diverting valuable financial resources when they should be solving their long-term competitive problems.
The good news for AA is that UA’s costs continue to grow as a result of its merger integration processes and AA does have the opportunity to regain some of the revenue that it has lost to UA and perhaps still more.
Even if AA manages to pull revenue from UA, it doesn’t change that AA is being undercut from below (on the cost structure) by DL and a host of low fare carriers including crosstown rival WN.
The fact that this industry dynamic hasn’t been corrected despite AA’s two trips thru restructuring, one of which was in court, means that the same issues that have plagued AA will continue to do so.
AA employees are setting themselves up for a division within the industry that aligns them with US employees far more than they would like to think precisely because AA’s network, just like US’of 10 yeas ago, had a lot of exposure to high profile cities. US retreated to smaller but more protected markets and cut employee pay. US is profitable.
AA still is heavily exposed competitively in the largest markets but its employees are now moving far down the scale in terms of compensation.
AA’s current employees might find the merger with US to one of equals much more than they would like to admit.
BTW, I don’t wear jammies.
US/AA merger will level the playing field!
Again, not when AA is being undercut in costs by a network competitor who is larger and a couple of low fare carriers including at JFK where AA is trying to not completely throw in the towel and in Dallas where AA’s crosstown rival is getting ready for one of the most significant competitive bouts this industry has seen.
I really would like for you as AA employees to find some smooth air and for the captain to be able to turn the seat belt sign off. I’ve been talking about the threats to AA’s future for years on here and I have indeed been right. The fundamental issues that have plagued AA for years haven’t been solved and in fact they are about ready to step up to a whole new level.
It’s more than a little early to proclaim that the playing field has been or will be levelled.
Better keep the seat belt fastened.